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  •  Signed and sent (6+ / 0-)

    If Reid won't do this, then other Dems should. Although, I find it peculiar that Durbin of all people is saying this since he's Obama's biggest ally in the senate and hardly the Rock of Gibraltar. What kind of game are they playing on us?

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:42:57 AM PST

    •  The same game as July 2011. (2+ / 0-)
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      1. Express your willingness to make a deal, even to offer painful concession, of only the Republicans will accept X, Y, and Z.

      2. Make sure X, Y, and Z are things the Republicans can never accept.

      3. Reap the political benefit of the public blaming the Republicans for being so unreasonable.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:03:06 AM PST

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      •  I.e. 11DC (1+ / 0-)
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        Not sure I'm buying it.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:36:26 AM PST

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        •  The Poison Pill isn't 11-dimensional. (0+ / 0-)

          It's Politics 101.

          Basically, you're saying that you find it implausible than a highly-successful political figure would posture in public for political effect, when he doesn't actually intend to go through with his proposals.

          It seems rather naive to take at face value the public pronouncements of two sides engaged in a contest for public opinion.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:43:05 AM PST

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          •  And you know this how? (2+ / 0-)
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            he doesn't actually intend to go through with his proposals

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:46:51 AM PST

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            •  Because he has a history of doing this. (1+ / 0-)
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              It's what he did with the debt ceiling talks, and it's what he did when Malaki wanted to extend the SOFA.

              Also, when the grand bargain fell through in July 2011, and the two sides settled on the sequester, Obama made sure that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits were protected from the automatic cuts.  He treated those entitlement benefits as sacrosanct, above and beyond even other spending priorities.

              Art is the handmaid of human good.

              by joe from Lowell on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:50:52 AM PST

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              •  Obama has a history of beginning negotiations at (1+ / 0-)
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                the 50 yard line and hoping his party doesn't send him forward.  This man gives away the store before the negotiations begin.

              •  Full disclosure (0+ / 0-)

                I actually sort of called this play over a month ago, with a caveat:

                Well, as Digby often points out (2+ / 0-)

                It appears that it was teabagger Repubs, not Dems, who killed previous attempts at a "Grand Bargain" because they weren't crazy far-right enough for the former, and not because they were too far right for Dems. I have to assume that even though this election has moved the goalposts a bit leftward so the specifics will be ever so little tilted out way, it's still going to be much the same dynamic. I.e. that anything that doesn't give enough away to the far right and/or requires that they give away too much will be DOA from a RW, not LW pov.

                Which to me gives shrewd Dems a convoluted 11D chess way to prevent such cuts, by "grudgingly" offering the GOP a deal that while certainly bad from our pov, won't be quite awful enough to make them able to accept it, thus forcing us all off the "cliff" and getting the post-cliff clock started, which is likely to lead to a better deal from our pov, since every passing day without a deal post-cliff makes the GOP looks worse than it does Dems, especially since everybody will know that it was the GOP that killed the deal, not us, a deal we hated but were willing to make in a "spirit of compromise and bipartisanship".

                It's a very dangerous gambit, of course, one that the GOP might well anticipate and lead us on in order to get us to make a bad deal that we believe they won't accept, which they'll then accept, in a "spirit of compromise and bipartisanship". And until its end game unfolds it will cause a huge outcry on the left (perhaps justifiably as Dems could play US with such a maneuver). But if played right, with good intel on the GOP whip count (surely our side has SOME plants on terra wingnut), it might just yield a much better deal than is currently likely.

                Ok, back to planet earth for me...

                 "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                by kovie on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 06:03:05 PM EST

                "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                by kovie on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:26:54 PM PST

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              •  You've got that (0+ / 0-)

                exactly backwards on the Iraq SOFA negotiation.


                "Justice is a commodity"

                by joanneleon on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 04:06:54 PM PST

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