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  •  How many kids did FDR murder via indiscriminate (0+ / 0-)


    How many kids did Truman incinerate in their sleep?

    Or this ok because they were "scary Japanese people" who weren't American and whose government attacked us. Pragmatism right?

    When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

    by PhillyJeff on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 11:13:43 AM PST

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    •  Not the same thing. And personally (8+ / 0-)

      I think Truman was wrong to go atomic.

      But then it is not like FDR or Truman bombed Mexico or Peru because there may have been a Nazi there.

      Also please explain why it is okay to kill children and first responders in places such as Pakistan. Your insight is greatly appreciated.

    •  Totally different situation (5+ / 0-)

      We were at war with the country of Japan, not just some extremists living there. Japan, as a country, launched an attack on us. They were invading many other countries in Asia committing rape, murder and atrocities on a huge scale.

      Not necessarily defending the nuclear attack, but it was a completely different situation.

    •  You know we changed the laws of war after (1+ / 0-)
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      that shit, right?

      You know when the Geneva Conventions were ratified?

      "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

      by JesseCW on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 03:25:38 PM PST

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    •  If Wilson had bombed Mexico City in response (1+ / 0-)
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      to Villa's raids, you'd have yourself an analogy.

      "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

      by JesseCW on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 03:26:19 PM PST

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    •  Japan and Germany both declared war on us. (0+ / 0-)

      Just like the Confederacy started the Civil War. The Japanese government did attack mutiple US military targets in an coordinated effort. Hiltler jumped in by declaring war on us on Dec9, 1941. No comparison.

      •  Its not just that (0+ / 0-)

        We weren't the only ones fighting the japanese and we werent the ones mostly being victimized by the Japanese.

        Ask the Chinese, Koreans, Phillppinos, Vietnamese and Burmese, whose country's were being ravaged by the Japanese, if dropping the bombss and stopping the war cold dead was a good thing or not.
        And how about the 200,000 POWS, mostly British, the Japanese were holding in the most incredibly vile circumstances, working to death as slave laoborers?? Oh sure, they could have waited too.

        People who think it was wrong to drop the Bombs obviously would be happier if the Japanese had gone right on murdering their innocent neighbors just like their Nazi pals, which they kept on doing right up untill the peace trerms were signed, and beyond (look it up)

        Happy just to be alive

        by exlrrp on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 07:06:31 PM PST

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        •  Actually on the issue of bombs you are missing (0+ / 0-)

          a major part of the decision. Russia had entered the war in the East before the decision to use the atomic weapons was made. Russia was sweeping through China and was well on its way to Japan. So it would not have been only Americans invading. It would have been Chinese and Russian troops also. But by using the atomic bombs we kept the Russians and the Chinese out of Japan.

          So was it about saving American lives or was it about limiting Russian influence. Japan is a series of islands. Islands that could have easily been blockaded by the naval forces of the USA and UK as well as the Commonwealth nations. Japan had few resources herself to wage war and depended on her colonies. All of which she had lost prior to June 1945. China was the last and the Japanese ran away from the Russian and Chinese soldiers in a panic.

          So the military necessity of using atomic bombs was debatable. But the political benefits were thought to be long reaching. As long as Russia did not get the bomb. But by that time they were more than half way there.

          If using the atom bomb was an act of vengeance then it was morally wrong. It it was the only alternative it can be justified. But there were alternatives militarily. The atom bomb was used to send a message. The invasion of Japan did not require 1 million American soldiers as is often argued. That number assumes no Chinese or Russians. Which is not the case.

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