Skip to main content

View Diary: NRA response: It's Hollywood, video games, and won't anyone think of the gun manufacturers? (473 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  actually.... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Rizzo

    there are quite different in many areas. Pokemon and Mario brothers hardly the same as top sellers here.

    http://en.rocketnews24.com/...

    http://www.forbes.com/...

    Pokemon versus Call of Duty Black Ops.  See the difference?

    Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

    by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:25:05 PM PST

    [ Parent ]

    •  Their per capita murder rate is 1/12th (0+ / 0-)

      ours.

      How about their FPS sales?

      "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

      by JesseCW on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:48:51 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  so you think (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        annieli

        we get rid of guns, our violence problem goes away in this country?  I say its much deeper than that.

        Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

        by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:52:02 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I'd say there's never been the least bit of (3+ / 0-)

          credible evidence, despite 30 years of concerted effort to produce some, that video games are linked to violence.

          I'd see it's as laughable and unsupported an assertion of causality as the anti-comic book nonsense of the early 50's.

          "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

          by JesseCW on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:19:31 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  you simply never looked (0+ / 0-)

            Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

            by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:22:49 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  40 year old research not duplicated? (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              sagesource, salamanderempress

              "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

              by JesseCW on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:25:33 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  you just stated (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                annieli

                that such research never even existed.

                Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:36:06 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Well then.... (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  Prinny Squad

                  ....I'll state the obvious. That research was fraudulent.

                  Exciting media get people excited. If you compare a CounterStrike player with a chess player, the former will of course be more excited.

                  Does that translate into real-world violence? We have the trend of the last thirty years in youth violent crime to show us that any effect is highly unlikely.

                  "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

                  by sagesource on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:07:39 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  LOL (0+ / 0-)

                    and you have a phd and better sources or research then Ohio state University?  I doubt it.

                    The subject is deep and multi faceted, to think otherwise is follishness

                    Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                    by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:13:57 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

          •  umm (0+ / 0-)

            Violent Video Games Reduce Brain Response to Violence and Increase Aggressive Behavior, University of Missouri Study Finds

            http://munews.missouri.edu/...

            Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

            by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:24:04 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  The least violent generation of young people (3+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              sagesource, Mathazar, Prinny Squad

              this nation has ever produced have grown up on violent video games.

              They're half as violent as those of us who grew up on Pac Man and Donkey Kong.

              The logical conclusion is that games about jumping over barrels cause violent behavior, games involving shooting life like zombies in the head prevent it.

              "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

              by JesseCW on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:27:16 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  nothing logical (0+ / 0-)

                about your assumptions at all.  Thats the problem.

                Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:29:24 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Then why is there no reflection.... (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  Prinny Squad, salamanderempress

                  ....in real world crime figures?

                  You are wedded to a falsehood.

                  "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

                  by sagesource on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:08:43 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  and as I pointed out (0+ / 0-)

                    according to your flawed logic, since violence has gun down, and guns have become more numerous, guns therefore could have no relation to violence.

                    See how simple and ridiculous your assumption and logic is?

                    Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                    by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:15:49 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Epic fail, as the kids say. (0+ / 0-)

                      Violence has gone down more in countries outside the United States which have strict gun regulations. The murder rate in Canada, for instance, is at a fifty-year low, despite Canadians consuming virtually the same media as Americans. This indicates that the drop in violence is due to some cause present in the whole developed world, and suggests that the US rates did not drop more because of the fact the US is awash in guns.

                      See what happens when you try to argue without knowing all the facts?

                      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

                      by sagesource on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:00:09 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  you still dont get it (0+ / 0-)

                        it was to show your flawed logic, but you just dont seem to be able to grasp the point.

                        Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                        by MrBigDaddy on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:17:38 AM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                      •  you havent shown one fact (0+ / 0-)

                        I have shown research after research. You make assumptions like all the world's culture and media are exactly the same, its NONSENSE.

                        Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                        by MrBigDaddy on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:26:22 AM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                    •  Violence has gone down all over the First World. (0+ / 0-)

                      And it's gone down more outside the US. Canada, for example, is at a fifty-year low in the murder rate. The overall rate in the US has gone down, but the fact that the US rate is far higher than other countries remains. There is some unique cause that keeps the US rate much higher than that in other developed nations, and it isn't video games or media violence. Canadians play the same games and watch virtually the same media as Americans. Why doesn't the effect you assume have the same results? Because there is no effect.

                      You forgot to check a basic fact: whether the violent crime rate had gone down outside the US. See how simple and ridiculous your assumption and logic is?

                      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

                      by sagesource on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:06:33 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Sorry for the double post. (0+ / 0-)

                        The first one disappeared, and repeated refreshings didn't get it back, so I assumed the system had eaten it. My apologies. Once was enough.

                        "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

                        by sagesource on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:07:41 PM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                  •  here (0+ / 0-)
                    Research to date justifies sustained efforts to curb the adverse effects of media violence on youths. Although our knowledge is incomplete, it is sufficient to develop a coherent public health approach to violence prevention that builds upon what is known, even as more research is under way. Unlike earlier Federal research reports on media violence and youth (National Institute of Mental Health, 1982; U.S. Surgeon General's Scientific Advisory Committee on Television and Social Behavior, 1972), this discussion takes place within a broader examination of the causes and prevention of youth violence. This context is vital. It permits media violence to be regarded as one of many complex influences on the behavior of America's children and young people. It also suggests that multilayered solutions are needed to address aggressive and violent beha
                    Regardless of government and other interested groups' attempts to limit the amount of violence reaching American families, families themselves play a critical role in guiding what reaches their children. Whether by adopting V-chip technology for home television programming, by using Internet violence screening, or simply by monitoring closely children's use of televisions, computers, and video games, parents can limit and shape their children's selection of, interaction with, and response to media violence.
                    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...

                    Surgeon General report on youth violence, basically concludes the points I have been trying to make

                    Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                    by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:24:27 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Bureaucratic bafflegab. (0+ / 0-)

                      A bone tossed to Lieberman and his ilk.

                      "our knowledge is incomplete"

                      "more research" is needed

                      "one of many complex influences"

                      "multilayered solutions are needed"

                      What that says to me is "We don't really know if your obsession is justified, Senator, but we don't want to argue with you."

                      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

                      by sagesource on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:11:43 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  wow (0+ / 0-)

                        you have all the answers, who knew.  Science and research are just stoopid?  where have I heard that line before?

                        Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                        by MrBigDaddy on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:19:56 AM PST

                        [ Parent ]

          •  umm (0+ / 0-)

            Violent Video Games can Increase Aggression says APA

            http://www.apa.org/...

            Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

            by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:26:04 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  umm... (0+ / 0-)

            Polman, J., Orobio de Castro, B. & Van Aken, M. (2008). Experimental study of the differential effects of playing versus watching violent video games on children's aggressive behavior. Aggressive Behavior, 34(3), 256-264.

            do i need to go on?

            Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

            by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:26:39 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Can you erase the juvenile murder rate (0+ / 0-)

              being cut in half in 20 years while access to violent video games has exploded?

              "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

              by JesseCW on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:28:26 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  yeah (0+ / 0-)

                because kids grow up and do things, they dont stay the same age.  And murder isnt the only violent crime in america

                http://en.wikipedia.org/...

                Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:33:31 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  And...?? The kids who grew up on these games (3+ / 0-)

                  are 15-25 right now.  

                  That's when people are most likely to commit violent crimes.

                  And they're not doing it.  They're very busily, in droves, not doing it.

                  "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

                  by JesseCW on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:39:31 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  9 million (0+ / 0-)

                    9 million violent crimes last year.

                    but lets follow your logic, guns in the us are also at record levels, so guns cant be the problem either then.

                    so I guess according to you, there really isnt a violence problem in the US,  who knew

                    Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                    by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:51:18 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  You've lost. (1+ / 0-)
                      Recommended by:
                      Prinny Squad

                      That's what happens when a flawed theory hits the real world. You can't explain what's in front of your face.

                      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

                      by sagesource on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:09:45 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  I what? (0+ / 0-)

                        I cant explain it?  I let the Ph'd help explain it, who have done research on the subject.

                        I'll be awaiting your phd work that counters it.

                        Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                        by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:12:15 PM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                      •  is the surgeon general incorrect as well? (0+ / 0-)

                        Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                        by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:25:10 PM PST

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Yes. (0+ / 0-)

                          Check the graph here and show me the epidemic of youth violence. Remember, this graph begins just when truly violent video games became popular.

                          But there's no epidemic. Rates dropped sharply, and then stabilized.

                          If you can't show an effect in the real world, you don't have any justification to imagine one. You have the right to your own feelings, but not to your own facts.

                          "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

                          by sagesource on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:37:21 PM PST

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  I have the facts and research (0+ / 0-)

                            you have little more than ignorant opinion.

                            so according to you, what we are doing as a nation, glorifying violence is working, so we just need to up it to even more glorification. Show people killing each other 24 /7 and then we will really have no violence.

                            anyway, have a great day. You dont even seem to think there is a violence problem in this country so talk about denial

                            Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                            by MrBigDaddy on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:23:22 AM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  the graph (0+ / 0-)

                            also begins where gun sales in the US skyrocket. so according to you guns therefore cant be any part of the problem either.  See how your "logic" fails at every level?

                            We know guns are part of the problem, just as we know culture issues are as well.

                            Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. projectreindeergames.org

                            by MrBigDaddy on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:57:32 AM PST

                            [ Parent ]

          •  And as with the anti-comics era, (0+ / 0-)

            there's an issue of just who the target audience and actual audience of the media in question actually are.

            The comic book fear-mongering was in part due to some highly graphic horror comics of the time that were not intended to be viewed by anyone younger than older teens and on the whole were not. A few people got it in their heads that all comics were for younger readers and raised the What About The Children? fears.

            (The anime and manga readers in the US are now getting a bit of another wave of that, because Japan never had a corresponding wave. I've got  manga that are clearly labeled For Older Teens due to the fact the subject matter is very adult -- Fullmetal Alchemist covers war crimes, war orphans, PTSD, and similar themes -- and the corresponding anime usually aren't shown during daylight hours in the US, and yet some people think they must be for kids simply because they're animated.)

            The Comic Code was at one point so restrictive that A Very Special Issue of Spiderman warning about drug use was denied code approval even though the government approved of the plot.

            We've already got the video game rating system. It takes a willing dupe (or an unwary parent) over the cutoff age for a kid or teen to get their hands on an adult-rated game. The NES and SNES users of yesteryear now have PS3s and WIIs and souped-up PC gaming systems... and often count in the violent video game sales figures. People who are nearly thirty or over thirty, people with advanced degrees, people who are on the other side of the teacher's desk now.

            And the games are rated, as I understand it, based on the most bloody graphics standards available in-game, so not all players are even playing the version of the game that got the rating! Portal 2 even had to drop a blood effect to stay at E10+ even though there is no player-useable weapon in the game and it was entirely a player-character injury warning.

            Any actual look at the effect of video game violence on teens would need to look at games that have actual player-caused violence and any statistical look would have to filter out sales to people not in the target age range of the study (which is hard to do when Mom may be buying for herself and making sure her kids can't get to the game media).

            Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

            by Cassandra Waites on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:06:36 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  It wasn't just the violence... (0+ / 0-)

              ...that the comic-haters objected to.  Remember, they also came up with the mythical Batman-Robin Gay Romance That Was Never There. In the 1950's! :P  How times have changed when first Archie Comics decided to marry a gay character to his partner and now recently Marvel has taken the mutant Northstar off the bachelor market by his own same-sex marriage to his partner. (And they hinted for years that Mystique and Destiny were lovers.)  Not to say that the haters didn't object; they just don't have the clout that they used to have.

              Thank Goddess they ditched that Comics Code.  It was just freaking stupid to begin with.

      •  IM not saying (0+ / 0-)

        guns arent a problem, I'm saying they arent the ONLY problem.

        Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

        by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:52:44 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Guns are, however, (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          JesseCW

          a way bigger and more material cause of shootings than even the most violent of video games.

          Barack Obama for President

          by looty on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:12:46 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  they allow for the (0+ / 0-)

            violence impulse to get way more deadly, and I agree they need more regulation etc, but unless we also address where the violent impulse comes from in the first  place, we still have a major problem

            http://cursor.org/...

            Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

            by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:20:26 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  I'll correct that... (0+ / 0-)

              "where the violent impulse comes from, limited to the United States"

              Because those games sure aren't having the effects you claim anywhere else.

              "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

              by sagesource on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:11:49 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  and you didnt even read the link (0+ / 0-)

                and research, which proved in fact, it did and does.  But why let facts and research get in the way of your ignorance.

                Project Reindeer Games- Exclusive Family Friendly PC Games to Give, Play and Share for Free. www.projectreindeergames.org

                by MrBigDaddy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:29:26 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site