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  •  A lot of this ... (3+ / 0-)
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    ssgbryan, democrattotheend, jazzence

    ... feels like long-standing stuff Dems have wanted, but not necessarily related to Aurora and Newtown. Tell me what's in the mix that might have prevented those tragedies.

    •  Clips, assault rifles, we don't know how she... (11+ / 0-)

      bought those guns yet, so maybe gun show loopholes, mental health treatment.  Pretty much everything.

      The more you learn the less you know.

      by quiet in NC on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:30:09 PM PST

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    •  Probably nothing would have prevented Newtown. (6+ / 0-)

      Licensed gun owner, pretty standard guns, kid was very sick but his family could afford mental health care. But there are other murders that could have been prevented by some restrictions. For example, Columbine killers used the gun show loophole.

      •  Are you saying that the Bushmaster is a (3+ / 0-)
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        RJDixon74135, StellaRay, FG

        Pretty standard gun?  Huh?  How about if the high capacity clips were prohibited?  What if the ammunition he used was prohibited?  What if the gun itself was prohibited?

        The kid who shot up a high school in CA only had 10 capacity clips.  When he stopped to reload, he was taken down.

      •  Being "licensed" (2+ / 0-)
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        doesn't mean much when what everyone is "licensed" to is weapons meant to kill many, and fast, before anyone can respond.

        You tell me these were "pretty standard guns."  And I want to SCREAM, that's just the problem.  We're talking semi automatic weapons in the homes of America, and you call that standard.  You want that to be our new normal.

        Well, I DO NOT.  And I really deplore your idea that "nothing could have prevented Newtown." And I will not even look at the six who rec'd your comment, because I don't want to be six times as angry as I am by your statement.

        It's true, we won't be able to stop these tragedies for some time to come, no matter what we legislate tomorrow.  Fact is, this country if floating in "weapons of mass destruction," due to our terrible denial of what should have been clear years ago.

        I could just puke at your idea that we were helpless to prevent Newtown. We. Were. Not. Helpless. nWe made mistakes. We looked the other way. We thought it would all work out and go away.

        But it did not, it has not, and every day, our country suffers for it.

        Again, don't freaking tell me Newtown had to happen, as if it was written on the stars, and we the responsible citizens of this country, couldn't have done better.

        We could have done better.  And if we had, maybe those 20 children would be alive to see what was under the Christmas tree for them.

        "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

        by StellaRay on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 07:12:17 PM PST

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      •  If most of that woman's guns had been (0+ / 0-)

        locked up properly in a licensed facility, it may well have prevented Newtown, or at least made it much harder to kill so many people so quickly.

        For most people who want to defend themselves, a handgun in one's home and on one's person should be adequate.  The others could be stored securely down at the shooting range.

    •  Maybe wouldn't have prevented this crime-- (2+ / 0-)
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      Miggles, lirtydies

      But does that mean we shouldn't try to stop future massacres???

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