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  •  Pelosi... "effects on the poor w/b minimal" (10+ / 0-)

    according to NBC News First Read

    Pelosi pushed back on progressive opponents of one compromise measure that would modify the way cost-of-living increases are calculated to determine Society Security payments. While some in the Democratic Party say that the change -- called "chained CPI" --  would effectively cut Social Security payments, the minority leader said Tuesday that the effects on poor recipients would be minimal once all of the specifics of the deal are worked out.

    "The details of this are not all ironed out, but they all mitigate for helping the poorest and neediest in our society, whether they are [Supplemental Security Income] recipients, whether they're 80 and older, or whether they're truly needy," she said.

    But, she added, she would join some of those progressive Democrats in opposing an increase in the Medicare eligibility age.

    Get out there and get peace, think peace, live peace, and breathe peace, and you'll get it as soon as you like.” ~ John Lennon

    by Lady Libertine on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 11:59:30 AM PST

    •  That would make it better I guess. (11+ / 0-)

      I still don't really like it.  Yes, it's better than a medicare age raise.  

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      by TomP on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:01:50 PM PST

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      •  its also better than (9+ / 0-)

        a shard glass sandwich but its still unacceptable. Their headline is "As some progressives push back, Pelosi embraces Obama cliff offer". Theres video at the link but I dont have time to find it in there just now, its toward the end I guess.

        Get out there and get peace, think peace, live peace, and breathe peace, and you'll get it as soon as you like.” ~ John Lennon

        by Lady Libertine on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:06:00 PM PST

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        •  She talks about it and said (7+ / 0-)

          she could support the WH's offer, but is seems to me that this was leading and not much of a definitive declaration of support.

          Durbin and other Democrats have come out against it.

          Dick Durbin: No cut in Social Security benefits

          Posted by Greg Sargent

          This may cheer liberals who are worried that the White House is giving too much ground to Republicans by proposing “Chained CPI” for Social Security as part of a final fiscal cliff deal — in effect agreeing to a cut in Social Security benefits.

          In an interview with me this morning, Senator Dick Durbin, a top ally of the White House, told me he opposes including Chained CPI in the final deal unless it completely exempts Social Security. He said it would be difficult for Democrats to support Chained CPI for Social Security if it ended up in a final deal, though he said it was premature to say anything definitive about how they would vote.

          “We ought to deal with Social Security in a separate conversation that is not part of deficit reduction,” Durbin told me. “To do it at this stage is the wrong way to go.”

          Durbin has said this before, but it’s notable that he’s repeating it in the wake of the White House’s reported offer of a deal that includes Chained CPI for Social Security.


          Why is this even being discussed? Social Security is not a deficit driver.
      •  Oh, they'll be back for that (2+ / 0-)
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        This is no thoughtful long term fix.  This is just using seniors as hostages to make a short term expedient deal.  They will need to make other short term expedient deals.

      •  Once you subscribe to the notion that somebody is (2+ / 0-)
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        going to take the hit, the way women did to get ACA passed per Stupak, it's only a matter of time before everyone takes the hit. This kind of crap as to the Chained CPI goes against what everyone knows about inflation, and has to be stopped now, not when the seniors start starving or being evicted, or stop buying medicine and  .  . .  .

    •  I don't believe her (4+ / 0-)

      Do you?

    •  Poorest and Neediest Only - another trick (6+ / 0-)

      So we can expect that to be poverty level or thereabouts. Or wow, maybe up to $30K or $40K at best. MEANWHILE, those making $400,000 pay not one more cent in taxes.  

      This is the MIDDLE CLASS SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS CUTS bill.  It strikes right at those who were the working or just above working poor. Those with inadequate pensions.  Those with a few thousand in savings.  Those who have enough to get by for a few years.  Those who will already be stretching every dollar precisely because they know they do not have hundreds of thousands in savings to last for 30 years.  They may have adequate assets on paper for today but those assets are insufficient for their future needs.

    •  Seems to Me (0+ / 0-)

      That if "all the details are not all ironed out" then Pelosi's got absolutely zero ability to say we have a deal that guarantees it will indeed protect low income seniors.  All she can say is that they have a deal that might get around to worrying about this issue after they all finish their photo-ops celebrating our failure to "go over the fiscal cliff."

      In other words, the usual disingenous political bullshit.

      The really depressing thing is that I wish I could say I was colored surprised.  I'm not.  I am however, sick at heart because I know that this "deal" will go through with no real protections as a precondition to any deal (which is the only way Republicans are going to agree to it, given the negotiating postures they have taken the past four years) and then folks will still be making excuses about how politically this is not-so-bad and that we shouldn't blame the Administration or Democrats in Congress for their role in making it happen.  Set aside that the very idea of "chained CPI" is offensive IMO to begin with (after all, we are not talking about funds generated by the dole where we even arguably--and I argue even that-- have a right to be telling folks what they"should" be able to live on when they are retired and what goods and services they "should" be buying.  The real issue is that the offensiveness continues with the lies that pretend that some of us have not been watching politics and politicians for decades and therefore realize that the kiss of death to any idea upsetting to one's political opponent is to put things off while giving them the bottom line that they want.



    •  When you're living from hand to mouth like (0+ / 0-)

      so many do in the u.s. even a minimal change can do real damage.

      "I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth." --- Bill Hicks

      by voroki on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:33:19 PM PST

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    •  Who is "poor" to millionaire Pelosi? (0+ / 0-)

      I doubt it's me.  And I'm gonna need every cent of SS just to pay for health care.  

      What a great Christmas present the Party is giving Americans this year.  Especially soon to be retiring baby boomers who voted for this President.

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