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  •  I think it's a trial balloon (10+ / 0-)

    that the winger caucus will pop. In which case, the cliff happens, which is actually a better deal on many levels.

    Fuck you, I put on pants yesterday.

    by MBNYC on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:13:26 PM PST

    •  Over the cliff (9+ / 0-)

      is a place where negotiations continue. With a more progressive Congress.

      I'm not sure that is being properly reported.

      •  Howard Dean said a few weeks back that accepting (4+ / 0-)
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        the automatic sequestration cuts, and automatic end of the Bush tax cuts and then fighting for the middle class tax cuts would be a more progressive deal as it will have the military sharing a greater share of the government spending cuts. --- which were about half the sequestration cuts, I believe.

        President Obama's proposal of reductions to government spending appear to be worse than the sequestration cuts for our social programs.

        It is unclear what Deans thoughts on the debt-limit fight are.

        Perhaps he thinks we have better chances on a pure debt limit standoff, after the tax cuts, and sequestration are behind us?

        I'm very discouraged by these developments, as I expect this will damage not only seniors, the sick, and the poor, but the Democratic Party as well.

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:31:48 PM PST

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      •  "a more progressive Congress" after Jan. 1 (1+ / 0-)
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        That's technically true, but immaterial as far as the House is concerned.  Speaker Boehner will still control the House, and nothing will get to the floor for a vote unless he lets it get to the floor for a vote.  The House is pretty much total control by the majority, no matter how slim their margin is.  

    •  Going over the cliff means a recession (1+ / 0-)
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      early next year. Which means weaker approval ratings for Obama and zero political capital to pass immigration reform or gun control legislation.

      I'm not saying that means take this deal, but I think some liberals are way to casual about the effect of going over the cliff.

      •  No it doesn't... (1+ / 0-)
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        The effects won't be felt for months. Boehner will make a deal as soon as he's re-elected speaker. The effects will be minimal.

        Just another faggity fag socialist fuckstick homosinner!

        by Ian S on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:36:30 PM PST

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