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  •  You don't have to go to extremes (14+ / 0-)

    But it never hurts to shoot as much flak at odious trial balloons as possible.  It's not like Obama hasn't tried to push this shit before, or that he won't try it again.  Democratic officeholders are not necessarily our friends, and we have to watch them like hawks.  Most of them don't even pretend theywork for us unless they're cadging for votes or money, and that includes the guy in the Oval Office.

    Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

    by Dallasdoc on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 04:56:35 PM PST

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    •  Exactly (4+ / 0-)
      Democratic officeholders are not necessarily our friends, and we have to watch them like hawks
      They are sometimes our allies and sometimes not and some even are friends.  But all bear watching.
    •  Well I can agree with the trial balloon, not going (2+ / 0-)
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      to the extremes and watching them like hawks aspects of your argument.  But I do consider Reid, Sherrod Brown, Mark Begich, Jay Rockefeller, Tom Harkin, Jeanne Shaheen, Sheldon Whitehouse , Barbara Boxer, Tom Udall, Jeff Merkley and Bernie Sanders as friends on this issue.  What I do get sick and tired of are commentors thinking they can freely call anyone they don't fully agree with as a DINO or a Blue Dog when there's evidence that they aren't.  I remember people started calling Tim Kaine a blue dog when he made that dumb comment about the 47% and taxes during his debate with George Allen.  A dumb comment for sure but I don't think it's fair for people on this community to call a guy who fought hard for African Americans in Virginia to achieve affordable housing.  That's just one example.  When you make comments like that, it doesn't motivate people to put pressure on them to do the right thing, it just leads to a "FUCK THAT GUY!!!! LET HIM LOSE THAT FUCKING DINO!!!" attitude.  Love this community and don't mind a lot of the criticism here, in fact I agree with a lot of it.  It's the attitude I have issues with.

      Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

      by poopdogcomedy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 05:07:14 PM PST

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      •  I wouldn't be too worried about the poor pols (6+ / 0-)

        It's part of their job description to take heat from the public about public issues of the day.  Moderate, reasoned debate gets lost among the shouts, especially when big checks aren't being waved around.

        So let citizens clamor to make their voices heard, and put whatever pressure they can on their elected officials.  They're doing their job.  If the officials listen and respond, then maybe we can start to say they're doing theirs as well.

        Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

        by Dallasdoc on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 05:18:31 PM PST

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        •  This is true but I also believe in thanking them (1+ / 0-)
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          and rewarding them for doing the right thing and taking the right stances.  I just don't like people making unreasonable and preconceived claims because they're upset.  Criticize, scold and put the pressure on them, for sure.  But don't accuse someone like Reid of lying when he hasn't or claim that "oh he will agree to it because he said 'i need to look at the whole thing'" like Wendy just did.  It's when people's emotions cloud their judgements and causes them to become so bummed out and skeptical that they try to go and make everyone else feel as miserable as they are that I also have an issue with.  

          Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

          by poopdogcomedy on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 05:24:09 PM PST

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