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  •  It hurts to look (4.00)
    and to realize this is being done in my name.

    Shame on you, President Bush.
    And shame on anyone who cheered the "shock and awe".

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    •  This diary would be more effective (4.00)
      if it included among the 100 people some of the huge numbers of Iraqis murdered by terrorist car bombs and IEDs. I'm not put out by what the diarist put here, because I've long since come to the obvious conclusion that our nation has gobs of innocent blood on its hands.

      But if I were a winger, or better yet, a Republican who still retains the capacity to reason, I would look through your diary and the first thing I would notice is that all of the killings were the result of US action. Then the Rush-meme of "it's the terrorists who are making problems for ordinary Iraqis; the troops are just trying to preserve order" is going to pop into my head because I've heard it repeated over and over. Poof! You've just become liberal bias. You're proving Rush's point: all liberals just hate America and want to say bad things about us.

      So I think if the diarist wants to go outside th realm of preaching to the converted, it might be best to have the second and fifth entries be innocent people killed as a result of insurgent action. And #3 ought to be someone killed in a crossfire. This way, I'm going to realize that the real subject of the diary is the deaths of innocent Iraqis. And sooner or later I'm going to figure out that those innocent Iraqis are really the direct result of Our Beloved Leader's actions. Then I'm going to think "Shame on Bush."

      Then seal the deal by putting up a few statistics on US combat deaths v. Iraqi deaths v. Saddam's rolling 180-day average number of murders. That nails the backup Rush-meme of "we got rid of one of the world's dictators so the sacrifice is worth it."

      •  Good point, but... (4.00)
        There weren't so many car bombs and terrorists before the U.S. decided to invade a country that didn't attack us. The root cause is still the good 'ol U.S. of A.
      •  Like the other poster wrote (4.00)
        The above deaths AND the car bombings would not have occurred without the U.S. invasion.  So even though the U.S. is not behind the car bombings, we waged the war that allowed the car bombs to surface.

        Thank you for posting this diary, thank you.

        "Freedom means freedom for people who think differently." Rosa Luxemburg

        by earnersparks on Wed May 25, 2005 at 07:02:51 PM PDT

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      •  I disagree (4.00)
        It's easy to condemn the crimes of others, and I think, a basically meaningless feel-good gesture.

        (Furthermore, although I think this is less meaningful, the other crimes you would have the author condemn may or may not have occurred had the US not launched this criminal war to begin with.)

        I think Chomsky said it best:

        "You are responsible for the predictable consequences of your own actions. You're not responsible for the predictable consequences of someone else's actions. The most important thing, for me and for you, is to think about the consequences of your actions. What can you affect? Those are the ones you primarily ought to be concerned about. Of course every corpse is a corpse, but there are some you can affect and there are others you can't do much about. You know, like I can be worried about things that happened in the eighteenth century but I can't do much about them."

        What we here in the USA are responsible for are the pictures shown here in this very important diary. We are not responsible for some of the other acts of violence committed against Iraqi civilians, but our condemnation of those acts is pretty valueless as a moral act.

        Whereas, if we the people really exercised our democratic control, collectively we could have and can still (and should) prevent the kinds of acts pictured here.

        Of course I don't expect Rush Limbaugh to understand such basic concepts of responsibility and morality, because he's an ideologue/blowhard. Whether the American people understand such concepts... that's also doubtful, given the ongoing lack of protest against these crimes.

      •  You know what? I don't think (4.00)
        this was intended as propaganda to convince Republicans or as preaching of any kind, to the converted or to anyone else.  So to argue about how it could be "more effective" is kind of beside the point.

        This diary gives us a visceral jolt with its photographs and personal details, urging us to forget the politics of intellect and spin for a moment to remember these individual lives of value.  I, for one, don't feel right now like using them to our political advantage.  I'm too sad.

        •  Just heard this on CBS radio news (4.00)
          President Bush said he won't approve the use of federal dollars to destroy life.

          That's about the stem cell research bill. These pictures set off my "Orwellian alarm" going whoop whoop whoop whoop...

        •  amen to that (4.00)
          Senator Lautenberg spoke on the senate floor today about how the Bush administration still refuses to allow pictures of flag-draped coffins of the fallen to be shown to the American people. He then went on to place into the record 56 names of the fallen from New Jersey. He read each name.

          Bush is ashamed of this war (assuming he has a conscience). Any Republican who would view this diary and claim it to be "liberal propaganda" ought to be asking their president why he hides the reality of war from Americans, because that should be their number one concern if they actually care about what's going in Iraq in their name.

          "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

          by catnip on Wed May 25, 2005 at 10:37:04 PM PDT

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          •  I honestly do not think he is ashamed (none)
            The only reason they will not permit those pictures is because of the consequences.  As long as the soldiers are just numbers not personalized, then the people will continue to support the war.  That is the result they want an uncritical populace.  They have done a good job of placing the thought through propaganda, that not supporting the war means not supporting the men and women in the military.  So as long as they can keep people in that mode of thought they have achieved their goals.
      •  I think you should write that diary (none)
        It's a separate diary. This is in memorium to people who died as a direct result of U.S. actions.  There are countless others who died as a direct result of the actions of people resisting the U.S. in Iraq. Anyway you look at it, though, their deaths weigh on the conscience of our country.  

        Sometimes it is necessary to go to war. But we should never forget the direct and indirect costs of war, lest we become too willing to wage war.  In this country, most Americans are unaware of the costs of this war to the Iraqis.  Sadly, they think the only cost of the war has been our lost soldiers and the money we spent fighting it.  They may vaguely be aware of some of the men, women, and children who died as a result of our invasion, but they don't really think there are that many, and frankly, they mostly think of them as primitive Iraqi nationals whose loss means little to the world.  

        If we want to fight a war, we should be forced to acknowledge the cost of that war.  Including the lives of those killed by locals fighting against us is good.  But, again, it's a separate diary. Please write it.  We need to be aware of that, too.

      •  This coming Memorial Day is OUR memorial day-- (none)
        so I believe it is fitting that this particular diary references the Iraqi dead that are clearly a result of our actions.  And, while these deaths result from our government's actions, unfortunately, we must take responsiblility whether we voted for or against BushCo, worked for or against the war.  We live here, we are citizens, we voted or didn't vote.  We gave little quarter to the citizens of Germany regarding Hitler, after all.  

        Perhaps with the passing of time, history will record that there were "good" Americans who tried to resist the growing power of the Neocons and BushCo, but failed....  Perhaps with the passing of time, the rest of the world will once again regard the American people as different from the American government.  Surely some still do.  But many do not.

        Before the election I wrote that I feared a Bush reelection for many, many reasons, but among them was that I wanted my niece's new baby to have the same freedom of travel I had when I was young, to be considered a good citizen of the world.  He may not have that acceptance. This is very personal to me, but it is universally applicable.

        Attaturk sent me here from Eschaton--what a way to start a day.  And my reaction is, yes, very emotional, very visceral.

        We--through our government--did all these horrible things. So, on our Memorial Day, we should honor our dead, but also recognize what has been done in our name.  

        Does "Not in my name" work? Individually, maybe; historically, no.  

        Where is our humanity--as a nation? individually?

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