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  •  Supergreat! n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

    by psnyder on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 05:39:42 AM PST

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    •  Highly misleading diary. Beginning with . . . (11+ / 0-)

      . . . I bought an AK47.  (Except I really did not buy one.)  And ending with the oversimplification of the transfer process and its safeguards.

      You suggest that there is no background check.  But there IS, as discussed below.  Therefore, if people believed what you wanted them to from your diary, Congress could pass a law that did nothing more than currently exists and it would be viewed by you and others as an improvement.

      "I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength . . ." ~ Thomas Jefferson Nov. 12th, 1816

      by pikkel on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:56:42 AM PST

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      •  perhaps you can do the same thing and disprove (14+ / 0-)

        his point. Just put up the 800 dollars and then write about how you got ripped off and they never delivered the weapon.

        Slow thinkers - keep right

        by Dave the Wave on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:12:12 AM PST

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      •  WWDNSD- what would Drunk Nate Silver do? (7+ / 0-)

        Drunk Nate Silver would say, " Tell you what, Jeff in NY - make an $800 bet with  the author that he can't order and receive that rifle within 60 days and both put $800 in a paypal accounts to transfer to the author on proof of delivery within 60 days else you win."
         You know, put your money where your mouth is. I must admit I'd be very interested to know if it's that easy to purchase ANY firearm online.

        Slow thinkers - keep right

        by Dave the Wave on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:28:39 AM PST

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      •  No. (12+ / 0-)

        The web site only gives the option of doing any background check.

        - It's left entirely up to the seller to follow the proper channels.

        - There is no checking to see if the seller actually does so.

        The whole system is set up so everyone can just say "oh that other guy didn't do his job"

        It's called "diffusion of responsibility". It's the same strategy corporations use to avoid responsibility for toxic dumps and defective products ("oh that other contractor didn't do his job.").

        The intent of sites like that is to assist others in evading the law. They are a criminal operation. It is built in by design. Their records should be pulled, and every seller investigated.

        Furthermore, you know all this, and are defending them anyway. Which implies a lot.

        "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

        by nosleep4u on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:17:50 AM PST

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        •  The Gun (4+ / 0-)
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          has to be shipped to an FFL

          THEY do the background check.

          You can skip the background check if you are "pre-approved" (Have a Concealed Carry License)

          Diary is misleading and incorrect.

          Netroots Nation: Burning Man for Progressives

          by Gilmore on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:12:38 AM PST

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          •  and instead of updating with the facts of FFL (4+ / 0-)
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            involvement, the updates just make more wild claims.  

            Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

            by Cedwyn on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:34:18 AM PST

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            •  diariest here ... (0+ / 0-)

              A friend registered to sell- no license.

              yep the laws are stated during the registration process.
              Yes you click -yes - you read the law.
              Sell your gun and then

              OPTIONS FOR SHIPPING:

              SHIP IT YOURSELF

              or OPTION 1- USE AN FFL LICENSED DEALER - AND IF YOU CHOOSE THAT WE CAN HELP.

              OPTION 2 -consignment w/an ffl dealer (didn't add that to the diary)

              If I sell and state I will only take a money order -  put my phone number etc up on the selling site
              HOW is any of this recorded? click on the links for available guns above, when they were added today at least two people accepted money orders, one just money orders.

              One of the guns we looked at last night was deleted.  Was it sold outside of the site?

              you guys all assume that everyone is following the law. They don't and it is very easy NOT to.

              READ THIS - just one of several stories about this well-known problem

              Women are 51% of the population yet are represented in congress by barely 17%! Until our representation reflects the population, we risk sliding backwards .....

              by 51percent on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 03:53:36 PM PST

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        •  thank you - for seeing this for what it is (0+ / 0-)

          and that was the whole point - we registered and could sell and found so many ways around the law.

          Sites like this have no measures in place to be sure people follow the laws.

          the first option we - unlicensed - sold a gun was to

          ship it ourselves

          or-- use an FFL- and they have a service to help you find one.  these guys got sidetracked by the description of the service, but the point is - yes that is the legal way to do it, but you can ignore that.

          http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

          Women are 51% of the population yet are represented in congress by barely 17%! Until our representation reflects the population, we risk sliding backwards .....

          by 51percent on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 04:07:25 PM PST

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      •  Hahahhaahahaa! She CHANGED the TITLE. (3+ / 0-)
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        And the fact that a seller is not an FFL does not mean that no FFL will be involved.  It simply means the seller is not an FFL.

        Care to start over?

        Crap like this diary can take people who might otherwise support additional restrictions on gun ownership and push them in the direction of what is in many ways (not all) the dark side.

        "I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength . . ." ~ Thomas Jefferson Nov. 12th, 1816

        by pikkel on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:26:35 AM PST

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        •  LOL!! nope - the issue would be clear if you read (0+ / 0-)

          the diary.  ( i wrote it)
          YES you are supposed to, by law, use an FFL if you don't have a license - have you ever sold on one of these sites?

          We learned - that yes - you can sell w/out a license and they tell you what the law is- you have to agree to  -BUT -

          you can ship the gun to the buyer yourself (in otherwords make your own arrangements) or use their service -their network of ffl holders .... and that service is what is described on the diary.

          THERE IS NO WAY TO know how I would get the gun to the seller - especially if I am one of those -there are many on this site - who will take a money order and post my phone number.

          And I changed the diary because it illegal for me to own a gun in my state w/out a permit - not just concealed but any working gun.... for those who know who I am - I didn't want any crap.

          Women are 51% of the population yet are represented in congress by barely 17%! Until our representation reflects the population, we risk sliding backwards .....

          by 51percent on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 04:14:11 PM PST

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      •  yawn (0+ / 0-)

        The GOP says you have to have an ID to vote, but $ Millionaire donors should remain anonymous?

        by JVolvo on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:45:04 AM PST

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      •  ONLY NEW GUNS (0+ / 0-)

        from manufacturers must be shipped directly to an FFL. Only FFL's selling new or used guns must conduct a background check.  No other seller is required to do so, hence 40% (estimated) of sales go without background checks of any kind.  However, FFL's are not very good at spotting a "straw purchase"-someone legally passing a background check and turning the firearm over to someone who is prohibited from possessing a firearm.  

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