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  •  Chained CPI is INDEFENSIBLE (32+ / 0-)

    Just simply that, indefensible.

    There is no effing reason for it under the forty suns of the Klingon empire.

    The one thing going for us is that the White House expects that just "liberals" are upset about this. But I think they're making a gross miscalculation.

    The elderly have GOT to be equally pissed. We need to work closely with them to strike fear into every elected official we can NOT to accept this deal.

    Obama said it, right during the first debate. His ideas about "fixing" SS were indistinguishable from Romney's.

    It wasn't just his "style" that made him nosedive in the polls then, it was also some of what he said.

    We must save this president from himself, if we can.

    What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

    by equern on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:20:00 PM PST

    •  Obama was for "fixing Social Security... (11+ / 0-)

      ... and Medicare" BEFORE he was elected in '08.

      Go back and listen to some of the "debates" when all the "frontrunner candidates" said essentially the same things and echoed each other, and then the DNC and inaugural speeches.  It's all there....

      That's one of the reasons I couldn't support him, aside from my #1 reason that he didn't support investigating Dumbya's war crimes and lies, or impeachment.

      Only after the Tundra Tramp started her acceptance speech at RNC when I became so horrified at her lack of intelligence did I change my mind and decide I better vote "for" the lesser of two evils.  I filled out the oval next to Obama's and Biden's names, but only as a protest vote against the option that was worse.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 10:47:11 PM PST

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      •  To be fair, remember that _something_ has to (0+ / 0-)

        be done eventually.

        Not saying chained CPI now, obviously, but some tweaks need to be made at some point.

        We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

        by Samer on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:55:34 AM PST

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        •  not a top priority - not by a long shot. (2+ / 0-)
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          An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

          by mightymouse on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:42:59 AM PST

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          •  Totally correct, mightmouse! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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            I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

            by NonnyO on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 09:47:39 AM PST

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          •  I wasn't arguing that it was a top priority ATM. (2+ / 0-)
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            I'm merely pointing out that it's been clear for a while that there are problems that need to be fixed in the future. Not, again, a "bankruptcy" crisis, but merely the need for some adjustments.

            We don't want our country back, we want our country FORWARD. --Eclectablog

            by Samer on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 12:14:26 PM PST

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        •  Yes: Raise FICA taxes on incomes above... (2+ / 0-)
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          ... whatever the cap is now would add many years to when it will be necessary to make the payouts stagnant or would need to be cut some.  That's only one small "tweaking" step that could be of enormous benefit.

          Raise the FICA contribution by the richest of the rich: Corporations!

          It's the corporations and richest of the rich who are currently benefiting from Bushista tax cuts, and continue to do so as long as Congress continues to vote to end the expiration date.  Those tax cuts were only meant to be TEMPORARY.  Even before the Bushista tax cuts, most corporations were not paying a single penny in income tax because of all the exemptions and deductions they get.  They get refunds by the millions.

          The worst offended that took away from the FICA contribution was OBAMA's 2% TEMPORARY INCOME TAX CUT.  It's like Obama was deliberately trying to sabotage the Social Security Trust Fund money, so that one pissed me off even worse than the Bushista tax cuts for corporations and the richest who capped out long ago on their FICA contribution and then have tax breaks on top of that.

          Mightymouse is correct.  Tweaking Social Security is NOT a top priority, no matter WHAT Obama and his Republican allies say.  AS IS, Social Security is solvent through something like +/-2032 (the year keeps changing in various published reports, but around that time frame).  The ONLY tweaking that needs to be done is increase FICA AND increase FICA deductions from the very rich..., to start with..., AND pay back the loans taken out of the trust fund to pursue illegal and unconstitutional wars, or continue the Bushista illegal and unconstitutional wars.  THAT is just the starting point tweaks.  From there it can get much better.

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 09:46:55 AM PST

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