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  •  I don't think people are blaming all mentally ill (8+ / 0-)

    individuals. They are pointing out, past tense, that killers were ill or thought to be ill. It does not mean everyone needing mental health care is a killer. Just like everyone owning a gun is not a killer. It is being described as specific to a particular individual.

    •  That's a bullshit argument. Everyone (3+ / 0-)
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      who owns a gun does so with the intent to kill. The mentally ill, again, are no more violent than the general population.

      •  Not under the circs of this killing, ie murder. / (0+ / 0-)
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        er? What's that? I'm responding to another comment entirely? Goodness gracious, I can be such an anorak. Hold on, hold on... mentally recalibrating... splines reticulated... there we go!

        No, it's not. I know a handful of gun owners. I have made it very clear to them on no uncertain terms that I am not fond of their hobby. One or two walk around with it for self-defense; they are also Marine Infantry or Army Ranger, so I feel pretty secure in the knowledge that they do know how to use it to do something besides shoot themselves in the arse with a ricochet. The others do so as hobbyists, which displeases me more.

        The general reaction from this crowd is in favor of slightly to heavily more gun control (even from the conservatives) after Newtown, some of them are wonderful fathers, and one in fact describes himself as an anti-war and is pretty hard to shift on that sentiment; he's only starting to maybe decide Libya was NOT an excuse for an imperialist takeover.

        He is paradoxically a giant nerd about wars and history, because he thinks big guns are shiny; but he doesn't like killing people, only blowing up mountains.

      •  I think a lot of gun owners (4+ / 0-)

        have not really thought through that intent to kill part. They have some vague notion that their gun will protect them, in some magical, talismanic way.
        I often wonder how many of them have asked themselves if they could actually shoot and kill another person.

      •  You're delusional (2+ / 0-)
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        I should hide rate you for making one of the the most ignorant statements I've ever read on DKos but I won't becasue I want all to be able to read your comment and understand that it is opinions, such as yours, that there can never be any reasonable approach to gun control - look in the mirror - you'reopinion is why the NRA digs in and won't budge an inch.

        The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

        by ctexrep on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:47:19 AM PST

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      •  Not talking about all of the mentally ill (3+ / 0-)
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        The idea behind treating the mentally is that it is a good idea all on it's own. We then get as an added benefit that we are also treating those that would go on to act violently due to their mental illness.

        BTW, we are not saying that all mental illness is a risk factor to violence, but you can not deny that it does apply to a subset of the mentally ill. For example, people who are depressed and talking about hurting people, are probably more likely to be violent. It is a good policy to target and treat that group.

      •  3 guns here. No intent to kill. (1+ / 0-)
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        So screw you.

        Deeply offensive insults aside, we're not talking about all mentally ill - we're talking expressly about people whose illness makes them a danger to themselves or others. Those people, as a group, are, in fact, more violent than the general population. That's why we call them dangerous. And our pathetic mental health system serves them - and the rest of us - very poorly.

        “If you are irritated by every rub, how will your mirror be polished?” - Rumi

        by Jaxpagan on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 09:06:39 AM PST

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    •  I suffer from depression and a host of anxiety... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...problems, and the way most people are talking about mental illness in the wake of this tragedy feels very accusatory to me. It's enabling people to "other"-ize the problem. They're trying to make it not a problem with all of us as a whole country but instead a problem with those "other" people, and this time the Others are those with mental illnesses.

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