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  •  Okay. If you believe that what are we as a (1+ / 0-)
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    community going to do for those hit hardest when we go over the cliff.  I see a lot of people saying we need to go over the cliff and some even treating it like is no big deal but reality is it is a big deal for millions and there is no guarantee that things like unemployment insurance will be restored.  

    So I ask for all those who seem to think going over the cliff is no big deal what are you going to do to mitigate the damage to those for whom it will be a big deal?

    Basically all I am asking is that we be realistic about what going over the cliff means instead of treating it like an abstract idea.  

    •  I have been unemployed for 2+ years (5+ / 0-)
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      I am 62 and soon will be unable to afford my crappy health insurance. Nothing is abstract to me these days.

      Sometimes you have to flush the toxins out of the system before the recovery can begin. These constant nuclear threats from the rethuglicans are destroying our republic. They must be stopped once and for all. Maybe that's the real sacrifice we're talking about... if there is any hope of our survival as a middle class, relatively free republic.

      We have a president who can propose and fight for legislation. We have a Congress that can pass legislation. That process can begin within hours of the start of the next Congress. They can act immediately on behalf of the American people... if that's really what they want to do.

      Those who do not move, do not notice their chains. Rosa Luxemburg

      by chuckvw on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 12:35:12 PM PST

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      •  I just see no indication that going over the cliff (1+ / 0-)
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        Will stop the Republicans from holding our economy hostage.  I think the tax cuts for income below $250 will get re-instated but I don't see federal unemployment insurance getting re-instated nor do I think we will get much funding restored for discretionary programs.  

        •  We disagree (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm not saying anything will stop the downward slide at least for the next several years.

          As usual, we are arguing about what will be the least bad option, because that's what Democratic "victory" looks like.

          Those who do not move, do not notice their chains. Rosa Luxemburg

          by chuckvw on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 01:09:07 PM PST

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          •  Of course we are but that is because the (2+ / 0-)
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            Republicans are willing to kill a hostage i.e. let one or more economically vulnerable group suffer and suffer some more.  Very few Democrats are willing to do that and are trying to find a solution.  They probably won't be able to but I am glad they are trying.  

            I am not totally against going over the fiscal cliff.  I am against how flippant many people on this site are about it.  I have seen comments like

            "Jump.  It won't be that bad"

            "The cliff is your friend.  Let's go"

            "This is like a good submarine movie.  Dive.  Dive. Dive"

            I just don't think we should be so flippant about something that is going to surely cause suffering for some of our most vulnerable.  I would feel the same way if people were being flippant about chained CPI.

            In other words let's be realistic about what going over the cliff means for real people.  Far too many on this site are treating it like a game.  

            •  Thank you! (0+ / 0-)

              I've been getting increasingly dismayed at the number of Kossacks who see this as some sort of game, where January 2 is the finish line. I see no reason to think the situation will be any different then: the fiscal cliff was designed to exert pressure on both Democrats and Republicans, and the latter group is expertly skilled at cutting of their nose to spite their face.

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