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  •  I disagree. (0+ / 0-)

    I fully believe if they thought it would hurt Obama they would have NO problem letting the country default.

    "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

    by Whimsical on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:54:16 AM PST

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    •  Obama can't be hurt. You don't get that? (3+ / 0-)
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      Short of impeachment and conviction, which will never happen, he can't be hurt ever again. Those days are over.

      The only people who will get absolutely destroyed by a default is every billionaire investor in the country. Oil prices will collapse. Bond markets will tank. Derivatives investors will be instantly wiped out. In other words, it is the Republican party's paymasters who will be hurt the most.

      They'll never default.

      •  I get that. I don't believe the tea party does. (0+ / 0-)

        And as for the Republican party's paymasters, I firmly believe they have been trying to engineer the collapse of this country for decades, so they can transform it into a fascist theocracy.

        The tea party's stupidity over the debt limit is just the perfect tool they need to get the collapse they WANT.

        They'll default (with the full blessing of their paymasters)- they just won't like the consequences.

        "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

        by Whimsical on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:00:45 AM PST

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        •  No way in hell. (2+ / 0-)
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          They don't want a fascist theocracy. They want a corporate oligarchy.

          They aren't going to bring about global collapse to get there. No way in hell. People will nationalize oil properties. The European Union will go totally full bore socialist. Other nations will follow the U.S. and start defaulting as interest rates go through the roof. They aren't going to do this.

          Don't ever believe it for one second.

          •  I hope you're right. (0+ / 0-)

            I believe you're wrong.

            Time will tell.

            "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

            by Whimsical on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:19:01 AM PST

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          •  Slight quibble (0+ / 0-)

            The "paymasters" definitely want a corporate oligarchy, though the tea party activists probably favor a fascist theocracy. What we already have is a corporate oligarchy. When that fails, what we just may well get is a fascist theocracy.

            "Today is who you are" - my wife

            by I Lurked For Years on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:51:36 AM PST

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        •  Sorry (2+ / 0-)
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          greenbell, I Lurked For Years

          You lost this argument when Rmoney became the candidate.  The Tea Party not only didn't get their guy, they voted for Rmoney.  The guys running the GOP are the Kochs and their ilk.

          •  Who want a collapse of this country. (0+ / 0-)

            The Tea Party are just the "useful idiots" they're using to get it.

            "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

            by Whimsical on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:18:29 AM PST

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