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  •  Smoking them out? (0+ / 0-)

    When confronted with the idea that a few months ago Dems proposed extending the Bush tax cuts on those making less than one Million she replied that that was just a tactic to "smoke out the Repubs" ie. show the world that no matter what was put on the table the Repubs were not going to agree. Now we have this "chained SS" that far too many on here are seeing as a sellout by the President when in fact I truly believe it is the same tactic. Already Boehner has rejected the Presidents offer even though it included the Republicans CPI idea just as they rejected any tax deals last year. Relax people and let the Dems and the President torment and expose the Repubs a little longer. After all we can't know what is in the final bill until it is passed by the House and Senate now do we?

    •  The negotiations are going well for the repubs. (0+ / 0-)

      The chained CPI was tantalizing, but not quite enough. The administration will come out with even more cuts because a collapsed economy will do more harm to the Dems in 2014 than the repubs. That's because the repubs have a core voter base that will come out and vote for them no matter what. Whereas the dem voter base will not.

      But that'a a false assumption. As Kos pointed out earlier, the president, and I'll assume democrats in general do better when seen as taking a firm position on populist causes.

      The president is quite seriously trying to negotiate and the only one being smoked out is him. And that's unfortunate for the dems in general.

      Vote Tea Party Taliban! Bring the Burqa to America.

      by Pescadero Bill on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:03:00 AM PST

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      •  Plan B? (0+ / 0-)

        Sorry but I just have to disagree and point out that Boehner has given the shaft to the Presidents overtures and will vote on the Plan B proposal that preserves tax cuts up to a million bucks. He has rejected all the President has offered just as Mr. Obama felt he would under pressure from the tea baggers controlling the Republican caucus. President Obama has exposed the Republicans for the obstructionist plutocrats they are once again. There is no deal until the ink dries under the Presidential pen so keep the pressure on but keep the faith as well.

    •  It is now a "democratic proposal". Whether or (0+ / 0-)

      not it passes, for the next 30 years we will hear that "Even OBAMA thought cutting Social Security benefits was ok!".

      Do you understand that?

      If this was a cute little game, it was reckless and irresponsible and even less defensible than if it were just cowardice.

      "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

      by JesseCW on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 12:19:05 PM PST

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      •  But it's not going to pass right? (0+ / 0-)

        As much as you'ld like to imagine you can see the future and how this overture by the president will be interpreted you can't. You can imagine the worst but it is only your fevered imagination, do you understand that? What will be remembered is that the President went more than halfway in negotiations with Boehner but those compromises were rejected by the Tea Bagging Republicans. It's already showing up in polls with McConnell having the lowest approval of any Senator.

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