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  •  That's true. (3+ / 0-)

    My point has a logical (chronological) fail in it.  Adam had to have access to at least one gun in order to kill his mother, unless he inflicted another injury that we don't know about, (of which there is no evidence at this point).

    My brain clearly needs more caffeine.

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    by grover on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:02:24 AM PST

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    •  Well, to speculate (2+ / 0-)
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      fuzzyguy, grover

      She could have passed out drunk or something first. There are all sorts of things he could have done to gain access to the guns.

      We do ourselves no favors speculating, including me.

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      by mahakali overdrive on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 12:42:40 PM PST

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      •  Well, yes and no. (2+ / 0-)
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        I think it's not speculation to say that the guns were insufficiently secured from someone who shouldn't have had access to them.  Whether he smashed a safe to get at them or they were unlocked is unknown.

        Either they were secured "properly," indicating that properly isn't good enough, or they were not secured properly, indicating that you can't base your avoidance of mass shootings on trusting gun owners to be responsible.

        •  Slippery slope potential too high (1+ / 0-)
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          If they were stored in a vault underground with encryption and a computer hacker managed to get the code...

          etc...

          Where do we draw the line?

          At "reasonable attempts."

          It's impossible to judge this without more information about the specifics. Speculation won't help. For all we know, the guns were kept in a special safe room with a combination lock that was kept in Nancy's email address and Adam hacked into it, and, and, and...

          So yes, speculation doesn't help. Why can we simply not wait to hear what the facts suggest? Is there some reason we can't do that with this particular case even while maintaining a serious national dialogue about appropriate gun safety?

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          by mahakali overdrive on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 03:12:37 PM PST

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    •  And that chronology (1+ / 0-)
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      CA wildwoman

      means that she was a victim after she was a facilitator (probably through negligence, but still the provider of the weapons).

    •  While it seems likely - that he shot her with (2+ / 0-)
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      mahakali overdrive, grover

      one of her weapons, we don't actually know that.

      All we know is that the weapons that were found at the scene were registered to her. Until a ballistics report identifies the weapon she was killed with, as one that she owned, we don't know how he got the first weapon.

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