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  •  meaningless (9+ / 0-)

    Please. The Assault Weapons ban was effective, even though it could have been more effective. It expired in 03-04 and the nation's police chiefs have been calling for a new one ever since.

    You're just making excuses for doing something that you clearly can't bring yourself to support.

    •  Please don't (0+ / 0-)

      put words in my mouth.

      We had 11,000 gun murders with both bands (AW and HCM) so obviously they weren't wildly effective at lowering the gun homicide rate, were they?

      OR do you consider 11K gunned down Americans the outcome of an effective policy?

      •  you don't even know when the ban was in effect (4+ / 0-)

        It EXPIRED in 2003. When it was in effect between 1994 and then it reduced crimes involving these weapons by almost 2/3. Those aren't my stats--that's from the International Association of Police Chiefs. Why do you know better than are law enforcement?

        •  Sigh (0+ / 0-)

          I never said it was initiated in 2003. That was the LAST FULL YEAR it was in place.

          You tell me, what percentage of murders are committed with assault weapons?

          Any idea?

          •  whatever that number is, it's too many. (0+ / 0-)

            Australia implemented an actual working assault weapons ban and do you know how many Australians have been killed since using an assault weapon??? the answer is zero.

            It's not acceptable that anyone die and why that may never be the case, accepting a number on this subject is asinine.

            mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

            by wewantthetruth on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:55:29 AM PST

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      •  fortunately the president is not calling for (1+ / 0-)
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        the ban as the only solution. but as part of it.

        or did you not even listen to the statement?

        he's talking about other measures including more rigorous background checks and the use of technology to do what needs to be done to curb gun violence. He's talking about mental health services as well.

        And since you want to talk about gun violence and deaths, yes, you're correct that 11,000 deaths is too many. And the truth is that most of those deaths are not from mass shootings but from people who possess guns illegally. So I think requiring BG checks at, say, gun shows, will be useful in making a serious dent in guns being bought ILLEGALLY and hence we'll see a drop in the numbers of  gun deaths - most of which are happening in urban areas using guns that are not legally owned.


        •  Actually. (1+ / 0-)
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          You might want to check the FBI statistics before you make that claim.

          •  Then the OP's point is even more ridiculous. (0+ / 0-)

            The bottom line is the president is calling for a multi-front approach to solutions. I'm a gun owner and 2A advocate and a democratic socialist. In fact I wrote an essay on it for RKBA once upon a time.

            This is going to involve some restrictions,yes. It's going to involve increased services for mental illness and, I hope, as I said in my essay, some attention to domestic issues and abuse.

            It needs to, yes, address the illegal weapons on the street that are killing too many of my young brothers and sisters in the city. And lessen the mechanisms available for them to get these weapons. Like gun shows that don't require bG checks.

            This has to be a multi-tiered approach and yes, any change is going to piss somebody off. And two weeks ago I'd have argued against what I just typed. But I can't argue it in good conscience today. Sorry, I just can't.

      •  wondering why (0+ / 0-)

        you did not answer the question posed?

        what positive input would you like to add that would improve the situation??????


        mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

        by wewantthetruth on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:52:50 AM PST

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