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  •  What exactly is "unconscionable"? (4+ / 0-)
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    Please explain.
    What deal has been struck? None.
    What cuts have been agreed to? None.
    So I'm kind of wondering what everyone is rending their garments over here.

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 01:50:07 PM PST

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    •  people have seen the act before (3+ / 0-)

      take a look at prior examples and you will may figure why people are agressively pushing back...start with the public option...end with Susan Rice....and lots in between...

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      by justmy2 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 01:56:49 PM PST

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      •  Let's take your examples (0+ / 0-)

        It's the fault of Obama's poor negotiating skills that Joe Lieberman vowed to filibuster the ACA if it include a public option?

        It's the fault of Obama's poor negotiating skills that he couldn't persuade McCain and Graham to give up their vendetta against Rice? You do realize either one of them could have placed an indefinite hold on her nomination under Senate rules.

    •  What has the president put on the table, is the (2+ / 0-)
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      question.

      And you already know the answer to that.

      The track record of the president, his lack of negotiation skills certainly do have people "rending their garments over here."

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

      by allenjo on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 02:11:32 PM PST

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      •  Rending garments is a waste of your time. (1+ / 0-)
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        He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.

        by Sophie Amrain on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 03:28:03 PM PST

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      •  There is no table (2+ / 0-)
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        In case you haven't heard, earlier today Boehner walked away from the deal and is going with a political stunt in the House:

        "The president’s offer of $1.3 trillion in revenues and $850 billion in spending reductions fails to meet the test that the president promised the American people – a balanced approach," Boehner said in dramatic, 50-second "press conference" Wednesday. "Tomorrow, the House will pass legislation to make permanent tax relief for nearly every American – 99.81 percent of the American people. And then the president will have a decision to make: He can call on Senate Democrats to pass that bill, or he can be responsible for the largest tax increase in American history.”
        The "Plan B" vote is a tactical maneuver by Boehner, aimed at forcing Democrats to vote for the bill or risk raising taxes on the vast majority of Americans. According to Republican insiders, the thinking is that by getting the revenue question out of the way, the GOP will have more leverage to negotiate spending cuts and entitlement reforms during the debt ceiling debate next year.
        Obama, meanwhile, has promised to veto the "Plan B" bill should it get to his desk. In his dueling press conference Wednesday, he accused Republicans of walking away from an imminent compromise that had included big concessions from the White House, including raising the income tax threshold to $400,000 and changing cost-of-living adjustments for Social Security.
        http://www.businessinsider.com/...

        The question is, will Boehner get enough Republicans to sign onto a bill that increases taxes?

        His lack of negotiation skills? His track record? Really?

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 03:46:37 PM PST

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        •  By offering it, (0+ / 0-)

          the President put it on the table and as a result, has already done terrible harm to Social Security.  The Republicans now know that Social Security is fair game, along with the rest of the social safety net since Social Security is the most fiscally solid program in the social safety net.

          "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

          by gulfgal98 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:27:21 PM PST

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    •  What is unconscionable? (0+ / 0-)

      Holy cow!  Are you joking?

      The social safety net which includes Social Security is the foundation of the Democratic Party.  It is one of the things that keeps our society a little more civilized by helping to keep seniors out of poverty.  Further, Social Security is held in a separate trust fund from the rest of the budget and has never contributed one red cent to the debt.  The President is the one who offered to make Social Security as part of the debt negotiations in the form of a chained COLA.  What is unconscionable is that the chained COLA will hurt the poorest and oldest people on SS.  It is very regressive.

      I do not know about everyone else here, but I find trying to pay down the debt on the backs of the oldest and poorest of our citizens is unconscionable.  

      "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

      by gulfgal98 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:25:02 PM PST

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