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  •  I agree with you - but theparty doesn't (4+ / 0-)
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    where is the opposition in congress?

    Why does Obama hate our social security???

    WTF?

    •  They are not our friends (25+ / 0-)

      They play populists on teevee to get elected, and make a great show of friendship to pick our pockets.  But most of them are insiders, gang members in a gang we're not in.  We just wear the colors and the insignias.

      Most Democratic politicians will work for us to the precise extent they fear us.  They are relatively simple animals in that way:  they respond to reward and punishment, operant conditioning of the old school.  If we want them on our side we have to learn how to train them, and not let them get away with anything.

      Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

      by Dallasdoc on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 04:52:50 PM PST

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      •  Pledges (2+ / 0-)
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        it is not enough to run liberal candidates - they need to agree to support a platform.  The thing is: we aren't confused about what we are for -- we just need to clearly condition our support.  We need to make 2014 the year we began taking the party back.  

        POLICIES - NOT PERSONALITIES!!!

        •  We already have a platform (6+ / 0-)

          A very nice-sounding one, in fact.  We've had them all along.  They're wallpaper, and nobody takes them seriously.  

          Progressives need a Newt Gingrich:  somebody who can articulate a simple, bullet-point agenda that's actionable and comprehensible.  Somebody who can build a movement around that agenda, and take over the Democratic party with it.  I just hope our Gingrich isn't as much of an a$$hole as theirs is.

          Citizens United defeated by citizens, united.

          by Dallasdoc on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 05:22:28 PM PST

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          •  Yeah - it is called an intellectual and moral core (2+ / 0-)
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            Bernie Sanders does that (but of course he isn't a Dem).  Elliot Spitzer had the potential to be that sort of a leader.  Sherrod Brown shows flashes.  

            But again, we begin to get caught in personalities.  The beauty of what Newt did -- and the tea party did 20 years later -- was that it was about the policies and not the personalities that drove them.

            Over the past 10 years we have done brief (10 pts tops)  platforms here on dkos and elsewhere in the net-left.  The consensus is strong - wide and deep.  It is really a matter of crystallizing it and moving it forward.

          •  Modern Democratic platforms (1+ / 0-)
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            aren't especially impressive, I don't think.

            The only hope for improving present conditions, restoring employment, affording permanent relief to the people, and bringing the nation back to the proud position of domestic happiness and of financial, industrial, agricultural and commercial leadership in the world lies in a drastic change in economic governmental policies.

            Democratic Party Platform of 1932

            This approach includes tough spending cuts that will bring annual domestic spending to its lowest level as a share of the economy in 50 years, while still allowing us to make investments that benefit the middle class now and reduce our deficit over a decade.

            Democratic Party Platform of 2012

      •  Reminds me (2+ / 0-)
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        of a quote from V for Vendetta that's always stuck with me:

        "People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people."

        At least most Democrats understand that we are many and they are few.

        Republicans seem to have forgotten this fact entirely.

        "Freedom comes at the price of eternal vigilance."

        by Liberal Heretic on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 05:53:43 PM PST

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        •  Except GOP pols are afraid... (1+ / 0-)
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          Dallasdoc

          ...of their own electorate. You have to give the Right that. They really try to enact the crazy shit that they run on. Our pols run on good ideas and then lose interest once they've harvested our votes.

          •  Yeah, I've (0+ / 0-)

            definitely noticed that pattern. Ours is the party of good ideas and empty, hollow promises.

            There are times when I wonder if it'll all come down to a good old fashioned peasant revolt. The kind with torches and pitchforks, and us swarming on Washington and banging down the gates.

            I think our whole society is a pressure cooker that can only take so much.

            "Freedom comes at the price of eternal vigilance."

            by Liberal Heretic on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 09:04:27 PM PST

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