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  •  asdf (17+ / 0-)

    Ah yes - your desperate 'distinction' will come in SO handy when next year's COLA for my SS Disability is 0.4% instead of 1.9%.

    I;m sure I can get my grocer and electric company to overlook the difference in my food and electric costs.

    Sadly, everything Communism said about itself was a lie. Even more sadly,, everything Communism said about Capitalism was the truth.

    by GayIthacan on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:11:55 PM PST

    •  I think the point is (4+ / 0-)
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      this change doesn't mean the the initial amount of future retirees is lower. It doesn't whittle Social Security away for future retirees. It would be much more unfair to tell my son that he has to pay the same 12.4% but will not receive the same benefit level. Considering how few hourly workers get any type of minimum cost of living wage increase it is hard to maintain that for retirees. This type of fight is going to keep popping up, this wrong headed downward income pressure, until we strengthen labor and the worker. This is just one more side effect of years of efforts against the middle class.

      A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by notrouble on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:24:46 PM PST

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      •  So why doesn't President Obama fight for some.. (2+ / 0-)
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        ..type of supplemental wage insurance program?

        Bush gave seniors another entitlement, a prescription drug benefit which Senator Kennedy described as a great first step.  And he didn't pay for it.

        President Obama is cutting the cornerstone of the Safety Net, Social Security, at a time when the bond market, pricing the 10-year bond at 1.80%, is telegraphing that the US has neither a deficit nor debt problem.

        Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

        by PatriciaVa on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:32:34 PM PST

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      •  Well maybe they could give us merit increases (2+ / 0-)
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        or promotions instead of COLAs.  My retirement savings would go a lot further if I could still buy a gallon of gas for $0.36.  

      •  No. It's not hard. It has never been hard that way (2+ / 0-)
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        What is hard is watching the Medicare Part B go up so far that the net is less than it was the prior year. Nobody in SS  officialdom has been complaining about the burdens of the COLA.

        And the cut is not only for SS but for veterans and a lot of others, and where, now, is that money supposed to go? Not into the separate programs from which it is taken, but for some pay by  unfunded credit republican bills such as the 300 billion in unofficial DOD expenses which are not in the regular budget but are still bills which have to be paid, while the vets of those unfunded wars get cut. .

      •  It is lower than it would be (0+ / 0-)

        if the proposed change is not enacted.

        In oher words, a cut.

        I hhave no idea when Republican silliness became the way to go on this particular issue.

        IT is false and morally wrong.

    •  The President has already said he will not (5+ / 0-)

      accept chained CPI without guarantee protections for those earning the least amounts of Social Security.  It will only be applied to the wealthiest.

      Here is more explanation

      "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

      by mumtaznepal on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:51:16 PM PST

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      •  And he wants revenues outside the program being (0+ / 0-)

        cut as well.

      •  That is an impossibility (0+ / 0-)

        unless it is a balnket means test and only Social Security recipients earning amounts in excess of certain levels have this change applied to their benefits.

        Such a plan would basically have a negligible effect on the spending levels. But Obama project 12 billion a year in savings.

        These two things do not add up.

        By contrast, agreeing to a tax cut for income up to 400k instead of 250k would have a larger negative impact on the deficit.

        There is no logic in the President's proposal or the arguments raised to defend it.

        The idea I think is not that the proposal makes sense but that it is necessary to get the GOP to agree.

        But the GOP did not agree so that argument fails as well.  

        •  They'll never do what I want (0+ / 0-)

          Raise the cap and exempt the first 5k or so of income from payroll taxes.  Don't mess with the benefits, play those little accounting games.  Front-load the means testing.

          Nobody ever much cares what I think, but that's what I'd like to see.  But the Powers that Be will all blow a gasket about raising tax load on income between $100-250+k.  For some reason, that particular income bracket appears to be profoundly sacrosanct.

          What do we make of the contrast between heroic teachers who stand up to a gunman and craven, feckless politicians who won’t stand up to the N.R.A.? -- Nicholas Kristof, NYT --

          by Land of Enchantment on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 07:00:52 PM PST

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    •  Stop VILIFYING HER! (7+ / 0-) discussing the impact of her proposals on your life.



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