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  •  not in these parts. (1+ / 0-)
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    Did you read the Sun Times link I posted?

    Frankly, my concern is less the "mass shooting"-scenario, and more the daily slaughter of folks in my own neighborhood.

    And is it doubly ironic to know that the guns they're getting are from some silly-assed gun shop owners who can't think of any better way to make a living than by selling guns?

    Yes. it is.

    If, as you say, the profit margin is so small--all the more insulting. How low do you have to go to make a buck, seriously, how low?

    •  I didn't read it, but I'll go back and find it. (3+ / 0-)
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      I deal with a lot of shops because I'm a gunsmith.  Most of my work is with law enforcement.  The rest is primarily competition shooters.  Generally a very sane bunch.

      I get bulletins from the ATF by email about once a week.  They describe their activities and investigations of gun shops.  There is an occasional shop that gets busted.  But, with over 50,000 retailers, it is a very small number.

      I'll read your ref.

      •  I've read it. It has a few very solid points, but (0+ / 0-)

        some of it is clearly hype on the part of the reporter.

        It is not "difficult" for the ATF to take away a license. It is sometimes expensive..on both sides, but the ATF normally wins.

        The ATF agents in my area are more concerned with the "E" in their name (Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and EXPLOSIVES).  Why they are more concerned should be obvious.  That they spend much of their time on this subject is frightening.

      •  my point is, whether it's "willful ignorance" (1+ / 0-)
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        or the case of a gun shop owner being "bamboozled" matters not. The fact is, as long as guns are "out there", you will not ever be able to control who has them and who doesn't.

        Therefore. The guns have got to go.

        Here's another link,

        And a recent (August 2012) Chicago Tribune article concludes that

        suburban gun shops are a main source of guns used in crimes in the city.
        It galls me. Really, really galls me. Hey gun shop owner, dontcha just love your safe little suburban enclave? But please remember, the price that I pay for your ability to make your mortgage payment is having to dodge bullets every day.

        My neighbor? Finest, most upstanding, kind, smart, wonderful woman I know. Solid middle class, hubby works in financial aid out in the suburbs, but they've lived in this community forever.

        She has lost 2 children and one grandchild to gun violence.

        I sure wish these suburban gun shop owners would  just keep their fucking guns in their own communities. Seems like the least they could do. Yeah, my neighbor kind of agrees. :(

        •  2 children and one grandchild... (1+ / 0-)
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          in three separate,  unrelated incidents over a ten-year period.

          Saw the look on her face the other day....twas not pretty. And I know exactly what she was thinking, "when oh when will they ever get ret of the fucking guns"??

          No doubt  in my mind that this most recent mass shooting of young children brought back excruciating memories for her.

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