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  •  No one denies that chained CPI is a rightwing idea (9+ / 0-)

    Whether Boehner or the President suggested it first in the context of these bogus "negotiations" is a really minor, academic point.

    The real point is that Mr. Obama has now offered to include this conservative idea as part of an unnecessary "Grand Bargain."

    It's impossible to avoid one of two conclusions: Either this was an unforced error...

    or it wasn't an error at all.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 08:27:59 AM PST

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    •  it is not a "minor, academic" point (4+ / 0-)
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      when presented as incontrovertible fact:

      If someone is insulting how chained CPI is on the table, and that Barack Obama put said chained CPI there (which is 100% true)
      either it's 100% true or not; either obama was the first to put it on the table or he wasn't.  if we cannot know for certain, then the claim is invalid on its face and should not be made, or read, by anybody.

      Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

      by Cedwyn on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 08:37:06 AM PST

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      •  Why be concerned about a possible peccadillo (10+ / 0-)

        of diary etiquette, when the real obscenity is the acceptance by a Democratic President of rightwing ideas?

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 08:46:29 AM PST

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        •  thank you for the object lesson, writ large, (2+ / 0-)
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          of what is wrong around here.

          a question of fact is NOT a "possible peccadillo of diary etiquette."

          for the love of fuck, facts matter.  

          Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

          by Cedwyn on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 08:57:12 AM PST

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          •  Not all "facts" are created equal, (1+ / 0-)
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            wouldn't you agree?

            When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

            by PhilJD on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:01:39 AM PST

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            •  hell fucking no (1+ / 0-)
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              wtf?

              FACTS are FACTS

              facts are not up for debate, nor is it possible for one fact to be more factual than another fact.  it's kinda like pregnant that way, rather either/or.  

              Definition of FACT

              3  the quality of being actual : actuality < a question of fact hinges on evidence >
              4
              a  something that has actual existence < space exploration is now a fact >
              b  an actual occurrence < prove the fact of damage >
              5
              : a piece of information presented as having objective reality  

              objective reality such as this from carney:
              "Let's be clear. This is something that the Republicans have asked for,  and as part of an effort to find common ground with the Republicans, the  president has agreed to put this in his proposal," Carney told  reporters Tuesday.

              Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

              by Cedwyn on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:43:16 AM PST

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              •  Some facts are significant. Others are trivial. (3+ / 0-)
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                Let's say someone posted that today's Cliff discussions began at 9:52 EST, when in reality they began at 9:17.

                Would that misstatement of fact matter?

                When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

                by PhilJD on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:46:48 AM PST

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                •  would it impact much of anything? no (0+ / 0-)

                  but facts always matter.  always.

                  Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

                  by Cedwyn on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:53:05 AM PST

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