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  •  the only question that *must* be raised (3+ / 0-)
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    is who gives a damn what the catholic church thinks?  this is a secular nation; our religious institutions already have way too much influence.  

    this precedent of looking to religious leaders for political guidance is the only disturbing thing i see here.

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

    by Cedwyn on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 05:19:14 AM PST

    •  A lot of older Americans (4+ / 0-)

      There are a ton of people in this country who identify themselves as Catholics, they have probably the most available outlets to push their agenda than any other major religion.

      •  Pretty Close-Minded of You, Cedwyn (3+ / 0-)

        And rather short-sighted too.

        At one time the Church was one of most influential supporters of the New Deal. Unfortunately, too many reactionaries have seized control. Progressive Catholics like me want to curb the power of those reactionaries. And while I do not want Catholic theology - or for that matter, any particular theology - to substitute for our secular morally, its influence is ignored at our peril. And on gun control, its position is spot-on. As I worry in this post, the Church reactionaries are trying to ignore the official position in order to cater to nefarious friends of some of those in the hierarchy.

        •  The RCC hierarchy in the US has been vehemently (1+ / 0-)
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          ...anti-Obama since well before the 2008 election.

          On the Sunday before election day, Catholic churches nationwide delivered sermons which effectively said voting for Obama was a mortal sin.

        •  no peril: (1+ / 0-)
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          let the catholic teachings guide YOU, since you're into them, but make your policy proposals based on their merits, not appeals to religion, which not everyone shares with you.

          And while I do not want Catholic theology - or for that matter, any particular theology - to substitute for our secular morality
          then it doesn't make sense to appeal to religion for political guidance.  if something is the moral thing to do, it's the moral thing to do regardless of which religion's potentates like or hate it.

          am i telling the catholic bishops to STFU?  absolutely not.  it does make me happy when they do the right thing.  what i am taking issue with is stuff like this:

          But we also need to hear from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
          why do we "need" to hear from them particularly?  is their opinion more noteworthy than any other?  why?
          Of course this will trigger outcries of those who claim their Second Amendment Rights are being trampled upon. There is one force that can effectively answer this false charge if they choose to do so: Cardinal Dolan and the Catholic bishops.
          the catholic bishops, and only the catholic bishops, can win the fight for gun control?  what's their magic weapon, and if this is the case, why have they waited so long?
          This brings me to my central point: If any one group can effectively begin breaking the NRA's stranglehold on our government it is the Catholic bishops.

          ...Cardinal Dolan has the ability to restore sanity to the question of gun ownership by calling for an assault weapons ban, more stringent background checks and by the closing of gun show loopholes.

          i, for one, am not comfortable with the idea of turning to a religious institution to wage a political fight.  they're all too involved already.  

          Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

          by Cedwyn on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 07:14:29 AM PST

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