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  •  Sounds like 11-dimensional chess to me (1+ / 0-)
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    "The President is much more clever than we have the wit to perceive."

    I'm with kos in thinking that these offers from the President do immense damage to the party. The fact that the Republicans turn them down is some consolation but not enough to offset the deleterious effects of signaling that you don't stand for anything.

    "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

    by Demi Moaned on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:11:20 AM PST

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    •  Nah. Nothing that sophisticated. nt. (0+ / 0-)
    •  It's disheartening to us dems (2+ / 0-)
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      We don't know what he's going to do next. He says he'll stay firm, but then gives away important concessions. Like Kos says, it portrays weakness.

      •  as has been mentioned as naseum (2+ / 0-)
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        he gave away nothing. He knew they'd say no.

        He who throws mud only loses ground -- Fat Albert

        by c0wfunk on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 10:47:45 AM PST

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        •  dangit - ad naseum n/t (0+ / 0-)

          He who throws mud only loses ground -- Fat Albert

          by c0wfunk on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 11:34:35 AM PST

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        •  But he did - now there is negotiating precedent, (0+ / 0-)

          as in, GOP to Obama, "Now bring back that item that you put on the table before.  Yes - that one.  Why the hesitation?  You put it on the table before."  

          •  I reject your premise (0+ / 0-)

            that Obama put it on the table.

            "Q    Yes, Jay, a lot of top Democrats on the Hill, and I think President Obama, spent the campaign season saying, let’s not touch Social Security -- it doesn’t add to the deficit; we can resolve this issue without going to that entitlement program. What is the President’s message to those lawmakers who promised constituents that Social Security would not be touched after the President now has put chain CPI on the table for Republicans?

            MR. CARNEY:  Well, let’s be clear about one thing:  The President didn’t put it on the table.  This is something that Republicans want.  And it is --"

            http://www.enewspf.com/...

            He who throws mud only loses ground -- Fat Albert

            by c0wfunk on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 11:53:28 AM PST

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            •  So he offerered them one of their tabled options (0+ / 0-)

              Expecting them to turn it down.

              Why is this so hard for everyone to understand?

              This notion flying around that we're "at the beginning" of the negotiation is crazy.

              He who throws mud only loses ground -- Fat Albert

              by c0wfunk on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 11:54:49 AM PST

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              •  It's not hard to understand; where we part (1+ / 0-)
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                in opinion is whether or not this was a mistake on Obama's part.

                I'm more with those who think Obama should have left Chain CPI alone, left it for his opponents to bring to the table.  Let them face the opposition from retirees, who are, let's not forget, the largest-% Republican age group.

                •  No, I'm not sure you do understand (1+ / 0-)
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                  because you just repeated your claim.

                  "left it for his opponents to bring to the table."

                  That's my point. Republicans brought it to the table. Obama offered it as a concession, likely with the assumption it would be rejected.

                  Whether that was a good idea or not is certainly a whole different conversation and per usual I'll reserve judgement until the whole thing shakes out. I have much less information to judge upon than those involved in the negotiations.

                  At this point, with Boehner's Plan B debacle, it actually seems to be going right along as planned.

                  I have no doubt that if any deal is made there will be concessions many do not agree with. That is the essence of compromise and the foundation of our government.

                  He who throws mud only loses ground -- Fat Albert

                  by c0wfunk on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:08:59 PM PST

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