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  •  so, what...pelosi became an idiot overnight? (2+ / 0-)

    she views chained CPI as strengthening social security.

    and the thing is this:  not all seniors are created equal.  some of them are plenty well off, but receive social security anyway.  for all but the poorest of seniors, for whom other protections exist, the difference is negligible.  so if they use chained CPI, but make sure it doesn't affect the poorest of seniors, protect SSI, stuff like that, what is the problem?  

    and i don't think it's being looked at as part of the debt per se, but of the bargaining over extending UI, avoiding sequestration, and what not.

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

    by Cedwyn on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:20:13 PM PST

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    •  If this is really true (11+ / 0-)
      she views chained CPI as strengthening social security.
      I hope she's just an idiot.  I'd hate to think she really thinks cutting social security will save it.

      Would you praise and fight for chained CPI if Obama wasn't pushing it but the Republicans were?

      You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

      by Johnny Q on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:31:34 PM PST

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      •  Seen this asked multiple times. Still no answer. (3+ / 0-)
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      •  HELL NO. (3+ / 0-)
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        And that's the distinction among those commenting here and actually anywhere.

        Would you praise and fight for chained CPI if Obama wasn't pushing it but the Republicans were?
        Ding, ding, ding, you win the prize because you're spot on.
      •  good lord...this is not about me, hey? (0+ / 0-)

        the facts are these:

        all spending bills must originate in the house.  so if obama/dems want to extend UI or other stimulus, they've got to dance with boehner.

        social security may not contribute to the debt, but it will not be solvent past 2030.

        the baby boomer cohort is entering SS now; the labor pools that replaced them haven't been nearly so large.

        for women, who live longer than men, the median age at death is 80.  i.e., there aren't too many people over that age.

        so SOMETHING has to be done to SS for it to survive the boomers' retirement.

        given all of the above, chained CPI is really not such a horrid thing, especially if they bump up the benefits for those over 80 and protect the most vulnerable. there are plenty of seniors who don't need their SS money; a difference of 3% over 10 years isn't going to kill anyone.

        Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

        by Cedwyn on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:16:52 AM PST

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        •  All spending bills (0+ / 0-)

          do not originate in the House. There is a technical workaround that is used all the time in the Senate -- substitution.  

          They take a bill that has passed the House.  It can be a completely unrelated bill. They remove all of the bill text and replace it with text completely originated in the Senate.

          The new bill has to pass the House, obviously, but the text of the bill does not have to originate there.


          "Justice is a commodity"

          by joanneleon on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:08:58 PM PST

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    •  Yes. (5+ / 0-)

      Either that or she's being deliberately disingenuous.

      I shave my legs with Occam's razor~

      by triv33 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 01:56:12 PM PST

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    •  Yeah. Cause they will now pay out less benefits (7+ / 0-)

      from SS, and therefore the amount they get to keep in the program goes up.

      Sort of like if I run a school lunch program, but never hand out any of the lunches but instead put them in a deep freezer, it "strengthens" the school lunch program by giving it an incredible stockpile of food.  

      A thousand Sharkeys are invading a thousand Shires every day across our country.--James Wells

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 01:59:45 PM PST

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    •  Maybe there's a pod in the basement of (2+ / 0-)
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      the Cannon building.

      A thousand Sharkeys are invading a thousand Shires every day across our country.--James Wells

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 02:17:11 PM PST

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    •  means testing would have to come in, wouldn't it? (3+ / 0-)
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      but make sure it doesn't affect the poorest of seniors,

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

      by allenjo on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 02:48:07 PM PST

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    •  I have this bridge is Brooklyn that I'd like to (1+ / 0-)
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      sell you.  You're the perfect prospective buyer.

      she views chained CPI as strengthening social security.
      She's a friggin politician supporting the party line.  News at 11.

      By the way, the Democratic politician from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party whom who had no idea whether he was running for office or not:  News flash.  He ran.  He won.  He's against this because he's not a lackey, he actually cares more about people than a political party.

      •  I do type over 100 words per minute, yet (1+ / 0-)
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        I haven't learned yet how to proofread all of it ;(

        By the way, the Democratic politician from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party whom "you" had no idea whether he was running for office or not:

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