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  •  Or maybe, while a much less than optimal result, (1+ / 0-)
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    trading chained CPI for whatever else Obama gets in the deal (and no, there is no deal yet, so none of us know what is ultimately going to be in it) is not quite the apocalyptic betrayal of everything good and holy that one might assume from the tone of the last two days here.

    •  don't you see? (3+ / 0-)
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      apimomfan2, corvo, Laconic Lib

      That's the point... he's already traded it... BEFORE getting ANYTHING!

      •  No. He hasn't traded anything for anything yet. (0+ / 0-)

        Negotiation is a large part of what I do every day.  I won't claim to be the world's best negotiator, but I have a fair amount of experience at it.  Until there's a deal, there's no deal.  Things on the table can come back off the table.  This is infinitely harder when literally billions of people are watching every move, but if I was on the other side from Boehner, once he rejected the package I put out, I would feel no obligation necessarily to include everything in the rejected package in whatever comes next.  Where I would agree with you and others here is that Obama absolutely should not be negotiating against himself.  Obama made an offer and Boehner rejected it.  There should be no further offer from Obama until Boehner makes a credible counter, which as far as I know, he has not done.  Plan B obviously does not count.

        •  I would bet you a jillion dollars... (1+ / 0-)
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          Laconic Lib

          that those cuts end up in ANY final agreement.  They ain't coming off, because Obama doesn't want them off!

          "I suspect that on Social Security, we've got a somewhat similar position,"-- Barack Obama, first debate w/Romney.

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