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  •  You're right! Let's concede the defense budget. (3+ / 0-)
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    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:11:08 PM PST

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    •  So Nothing Constructive Except Snark? (0+ / 0-)

      This is real. Real people who will really be hurt, like now and won't be able to afford rent/mtg and food for their families when they lose UI.

      This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

      by Beetwasher on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 01:24:45 PM PST

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      •  Here's why the Cliff is the best deal out there: (2+ / 0-)
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        The tax increases on incomes lower than $250,000 aren't likely to stand. Nancy Pelosi can't initiate a stand-alone bill herself, but she, the President, the whole damn party, can loudly advocate for Boehner (or maybe Cantor by then) to bring such a bill to the House floor. The Thugs would cave. What choice do they have? The GOP--the anti-tax party--can hardly be seen to be blocking tax cuts for 98% of all Americans. That would send them to the electoral wilderness for a decade.

        The across-the-board cuts in social programs like Head-start required by sequestration are painful, no question, as is the lack of an immediate extension of Unemployment Insurance. This time though, the Dems hold the only hostage the Thugs give a damn about: the Defense budget. We can trade some of it back, in return for most of the social cuts. Done right, we could still end up with substantial Defense cuts impossible to achieve otherwise.

        That's what real compromise looks like.

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 01:54:07 PM PST

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        •  Well, You Obviously Know The Political Calculus (0+ / 0-)

          Better than Obama and Pelosi and got it all figured out, except for the part where people stop getting UI NOW and their lives may be ruined NOW.  So you're willing to trade pain and destroyed lives NOW to head off some pain that may or may not come 20 years down the road.

          No, that's not compromise, that's throwing people depending on food stamps and unemployment NOW under the bus NOW, while the Dems and Repubs bicker over a deal through Jan. Meanwhile, people starve and get kicked out of their homes NOW.

          You have no idea if the the Thugs would cave, and I imagine Pelosi and Obama are closer to the situation and have a better read than you do from the sidelines. They ARE batshit crazy. Really. They are.

          This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

          by Beetwasher on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 02:00:55 PM PST

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          •  The fact that they ARE able to do the political (1+ / 0-)
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            calculus is what makes the charges of betrayal genuinely cogent.

            When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

            by PhilJD on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 02:07:06 PM PST

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            •  he Fact Is THEY Can Do It Much Better (0+ / 0-)

              Than you can, and know all the players and variables much better than you, so YOUR prognostications about what would and should happen should be taken in that context.

              This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

              by Beetwasher on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 02:11:03 PM PST

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