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  •  Bad faith negotiations (1+ / 0-)
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    longtimelurker

    Some of the people here, who have pushed the panic button, may be of a different generation.  Time once was, generally before 2001, that an offer was made in negotiations, and that offer was something that the maker could live with.  The other side would make an offer that he/she could live with.  Then in good faith, nothing was renounced, but an effort was made to close the gap.

    I first noticed in 2001 an offer was made, and if the whole package was not accepted, then the offer was withdrawn and we would start over--very far apart.

    I have retired from union work since, but I believe the pattern--which we used to call "bad faith" is still operative.

    Obama's style of negotiating is not familiar to me.  It caused me to be as upset as most anyone here yesterday.  But I do believe that in this modern world, he does not have to leave Social Security on the table.

    That being said, I believe it is essential that as many interested parties as possible keep mentioning what a betrayal it would be to have any cut in Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid.

    •  James Baker (0+ / 0-)

      James Baker was, in the end, an enabler of evil, but his principle of "nothing is decided until everything is decided" makes a lot of sense to me in situations such as this.  The idea that there is a happy sensible center that can be reached through a reasonable set of mutual back-and-forth steps just doesn't apply.

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    •  of course he does not. There is no deal yet. (1+ / 0-)
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      sphealey

      He does not because the repubs HAVE A HISTORY OF MOVING THE GOAL POSTS. That history means that he can "treat" them any way he needs to for the "greater" good. This is not the age of "chivalry", the early '00s. It's bare knuckles time. Remember that the repubs have "bait and switched" enough times to earn derision. The bush tax cuit were to expire two years ago. They decided to take the public hostage. Their bad faith behaviour and repeated lying is enough to warrant their being "kicked to the curb", trashed.

      Obama's style of negotiating is not familiar to me.  It caused me to be as upset as most anyone here yesterday.  But I do believe that in this modern world, he does not have to leave Social Security on the table.

      That being said, I believe it is essential that as many interested parties as possible keep mentioning what a betrayal it would be to have any cut in Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid.
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      The Democrats now own everything from the center right to the far left. the republicans and the filthy robberbarons occupy the extreme right fringe.

      by longtimelurker on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 05:34:07 PM PST

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