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  •  So this was a process defeat? (2+ / 0-)
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    The baggers were ok with the bill itself, had it been the final bill, but were afraid that the legislative process would allow it to be watered down to the point where they couldn't possibly accept it, but which could then be passed in violation of the Hastert rule?

    If so, how hard would it be for a coalition of all Dems plus enough Repubs to get a bill (that the baggers would never accept) to a vote, without Boehner's support? Didn't Pelosi try that last week? Did it fail for a lack of votes, or due to something else, and what would it take to overcome that next time?

    Obviously, the only way to get a deal that can pass the senate and Obama would be willing to sign is by violating the Hastert rule, the only question being whether it'll be with or without Boehner's support.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:31:08 AM PST

    •  Even "moderate" House Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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      Find it untenable to sign onto anything led by Pelosi and the Dems.  Any effort would have to be initiated by bipartisan co-sponsors from the git go.  Would be the only possible way to bypass the GOP leadership that I can think of.

      Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

      by winsock on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:44:42 AM PST

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      •  So we're back to process issues (1+ / 0-)
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        I.e. making it seem that a bill was crafted by both parties, to allow it to pass the purity test. But even if that can be done, what's the legislative process to pass such a bill if Boehner won't bring it to the floor?

        Which he certainly won't before the 3rd, and may not after.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:57:40 AM PST

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          some sort of co-sponsored discharge petition, I suppose.  But before the end of the year?  I don't see how.  Maybe Boehner will fall on his sword -- since he doesn't appear to have much to lose anyway at this point.  Not holding my breath.

          Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

          by winsock on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 07:06:47 AM PST

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