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  •  Then the internet wouldn't be covered by the 1st (0+ / 0-)

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 09:18:50 PM PST

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    •  Can people please stop trying to use this argument (0+ / 0-)

      This is complete stupidity.  Most websites you can browse without ever having to register to it but if you want to interact with the site you have to register and agree to terms and conditions just like here.  So if you say something that someone doesn't like you can see yourself bounced off the site without warning (facebook pages, sports blogs, etc).  So this whole internet = 1st amendment is BS.  Even if you were to develop a website of whatever you wanted if the hosting company didn't like it then they could shut you down.

      If at first you don't succeed, vote Teapublicans out and try again. You have to be persistent if you want anything out of life.

      by Final Frame on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 07:33:40 AM PST

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      •  It is complete stupidity (0+ / 0-)

        Trying to suggest that with every development in technology the Bill of Rights need to be amended is absurd.

        "they could shut you down"
        The 1st deals with what the Government can't do. Not privately owned companies
        Using your analogy, newspapers aren't covered by the 1st because an editor can fire journalists.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 02:11:14 PM PST

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        •  Oh (0+ / 0-)

          Websites can't ban you without giving you a reason?

          Stores can't tell you to leave without giving a reason?

          Lets be honest, what you think the Bill of Rights does and how its been defined over the decades are two completely different things.

          If you just want to dig into the Government because its the boogie man you want to make it then maybe this isn't the country for you....

          If at first you don't succeed, vote Teapublicans out and try again. You have to be persistent if you want anything out of life.

          by Final Frame on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 07:32:14 PM PST

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          •  sigh (0+ / 0-)

            "Websites can't ban"
            Sure they can. This isn't an example of a 1st Amendment infringement. We are talking basic High School level civics here.

            "what the Bill of Rights does & how its been defined over the decades are two completely different things"
            True. I didn't support Warrantless Wiretaps, Gitmo nor torture, because they are blatant infringements on Constitutional Rights. I assume you had the same blase attitude when those Constitutional Rights were infringed.

            "If you just want to dig into the Govt"
            Absolutely not. The Government is of, by and for the People, with certain inalienable rights protected by the Bill of Rights.
            That there are some--whether the right-wing with the 4th, or you with the 2nd--that would sacrifice those Rights for perceived security, does not change the intent nor the purpose of the Bill of Rights.

            The Bill of Rights, more than anything else, defines this nation. If you are not a fan of one, you are not a fan of the other.

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 08:36:43 PM PST

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            •  You realize you went full circle right? (0+ / 0-)

              Which leads back to the same points that you made to the statement.

              If at first you don't succeed, vote Teapublicans out and try again. You have to be persistent if you want anything out of life.

              by Final Frame on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 07:46:08 AM PST

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              •  If by "full circle" you mean "consistant", (0+ / 0-)

                then, yes, I do realize it.
                Do you have a question?

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 08:01:27 AM PST

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