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  •  In other words... give up. (3+ / 0-)
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    Miggles, Laconic Lib, lyvwyr101

    We can't stop criminals, so therefore we must not make laws.

    because some people will use their cars as a battering ram, it's clear that we shouldn't have speed limits?

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 10:47:43 AM PST

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    •  Write as many laws as you want (1+ / 0-)
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      But you can't disarm the police because guns are illegal.

      "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

      by ParaHammer on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 10:51:02 AM PST

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      •  Police violence in this country is a disgrace. (3+ / 0-)

        The only reason they have so many weapons, and there are so many shootings with the police involved is due to the proliferation of weapons.

        Ban the guns, and the amount of force "Needed" will be nowhere near the current paradigm.

        Our militarized police is a disgrace and the force they employ needs to be dialed down considerably.

        Countries with gun control do not need police forces armed to the teeth.

        I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

        by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 10:55:31 AM PST

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        •  Do some research (2+ / 0-)
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          Korea, Israel,  Mexico and many others have very strict gun control laws and their police are armed to the teeth.

          "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

          by ParaHammer on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 10:57:03 AM PST

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          •  Japan, Great Britain and Germany (1+ / 0-)
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            Have very strict gun control laws and their police are not armed to the teeth.

            The places you cite are declared or undeclared war zones.

            Just like the US.

            I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

            by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:00:19 AM PST

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            •  Just like the US ? (2+ / 0-)
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              fuzzyguy, FrankRose

              The the US police should be armed to the teeth. When I flew to Munich German police were very visible and armed to the teeth.

              "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

              by ParaHammer on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:01:41 AM PST

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              •  Right because German police use SO many guns... (1+ / 0-)
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                Laconic Lib

                Oh wait, no they don't.

                Number of bullets fired in Germany.

                I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

                by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:04:23 AM PST

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                •  You fail to understand the difference (2+ / 0-)
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                  between being armed and firing bullets.

                  "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

                  by ParaHammer on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:05:27 AM PST

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                  •  No, I find it interesting... (1+ / 0-)
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                    That the largest weapon in standard use in a German  police department is a submachine gun.

                    That is not armed to the teeth.  Our police forces have access and regularly use assault rifles, flash bangs, sniper rifles and other weapons that are military in nature.

                    And we USE them.  The German Police do not.  

                    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

                    by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:08:52 AM PST

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                    •  I don't see US beat cops (0+ / 0-)

                      carrying assault rifles.  Do you?
                      Do you know the difference between a submachine gun and an asaault rifle?

                      "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

                      by ParaHammer on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:10:36 AM PST

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                      •  Yes. A SMG uses pistol rounds. (1+ / 0-)
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                        Laconic Lib

                        Our police forces regularly have assault rifles in their vehicles.  This is a response to the North Hollywood shootout, in which police weapons could not penetrate the perpetrators body armor.

                        I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

                        by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:13:53 AM PST

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                        •  Would you disarm cops (0+ / 0-)

                          and have them go thru another North Hollywood scenario.

                          "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

                          by ParaHammer on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:17:17 AM PST

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                          •  Yes, because there would be no North Hollywood... (1+ / 0-)
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                            Laconic Lib

                            When there are no assault weapons freely available to the American public.

                            North Hollywood was an example of why we need to BAN guns, not ramp up our war on criminals because "Criminals are better armed, so the police must be better armed".

                            That's just LaPierre Logic.

                            I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

                            by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:19:26 AM PST

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                          •  When they are not freely available (1+ / 0-)
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                            annieli

                            The criminals will still have them.  Got to go have a nice day.

                            "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

                            by ParaHammer on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:21:18 AM PST

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                          •  In other words, Bad Guys will always have guns. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Laconic Lib

                            Once again, you're parroting NRA talking points.  Clearly the solution is to give the "Good Guys" more guns.

                            This is not a solution.  It's some horrible spasm.

                            I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

                            by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:30:33 AM PST

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                          •  The issue in parts of Hollywood (2+ / 0-)
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                            detroitmechworks, annieli

                            is drug-related crime, more or less.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:39:26 AM PST

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                          •  Hell, I'm for drug legalization... (2+ / 0-)
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                            If I've come across as supporting the drug war, I just want to make that clear.  

                            Drugs don't hurt anybody but the user.  Guns hurt everybody except the user.  (Unless the user specifically decides to harm him or herself with the gun)

                            I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

                            by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:46:38 AM PST

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                          •  In our current legal climate, sadly (2+ / 0-)
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                            drugs hurt more than the user :/ Thus the stupid shoot outs, burglaries involved with drugs and their manufacture, killing of narcs, gang violence, cops armed to the gills, on and on and on.

                            That's my issue with our drug laws: they create a violent culture and death for absolutely innocent people who may just live in a neighborhood with a high number of drug traffickers or makers. This absolutely includes kids. Here in Northern California, we see a lot of this with meth labs and marijuana growers.

                            It is shameful that people aren't even discussing this right now when they're talking about how angry they are about gun violence! Those who are angry about gun violence in general need to look at these issues too: we know damned well where some of it comes from. Our drug policies are a HUGE known place, and very much an issue that should be on any Progressives' agenda.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:52:45 AM PST

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                          •  We have created this. (1+ / 0-)
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                            Laconic Lib

                            Nobody cares when a gang shoots each other over a little piece of territory, because of the choice they have of working for peanuts or killing each other for a shot at the big bucks.

                            Yes, the drug policies are ludicrous.  So are the policies of class warfare and government slashing the benefits of the poor to enhance the rich.

                            Guns are a known factor, and one of many that we can fight.  It does not diminish the need to address the other factors, but it also does not call for a moderating of the stance on guns due to "The other factors which we need to address."

                            Ban em, legalize drugs, and end the war on the poor.

                            That's be a good... start.

                            I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

                            by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:57:28 AM PST

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                          •  Except no one is calling to legalize drugs (1+ / 0-)
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                            rockhound

                            I see not one diary that has even recently touched this and no current legislation being proposed for this.

                            Hm...

                            Some commitment to ending gun violence.

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                            by mahakali overdrive on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 12:04:53 PM PST

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                          •  Tough on drugs is a political winner. (2+ / 0-)
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                            Laconic Lib, a2nite

                            Unfortunately, despite the legalization of Marijuana in 2 states, we still are demonizing drug users federally.

                            Perhaps I should write the diary.  Course, If I did, I'd still emphasize that we need to ban guns as much as we need to eliminate the "Need" for them.

                            I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

                            by detroitmechworks on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 12:09:24 PM PST

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