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  •  I saw that and now I'm confused- (1+ / 0-)
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    political junquie

    congressman said that Connecticut already has an assault weapons ban. What I found on google re Ct. gun law says that possession of an assault weapon is a class D felony. Why do we keep hearing that Nancy Lanza purchased these guns legally- even if she bought them out of state, wouldn't the gun seller check to see whether the gun would be legal for her to possess in her home state?
    Or is this all about whether or not the Bushmaster meets the definition of an assault weapon in Connecticut?

    •  pretty sure its not the seller's responsibility (3+ / 0-)

      if i purchase fireworks in tennessee that aren't legal in florida, is it the seller's responsibility? morally, perhaps, but i'm not aware of any law like that.

      see, this is why we need to federalize gun legislation. make one consistent law for the whole US.

    •  Your last sentence (2+ / 0-)
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      political junquie, gramofsam1

      The Bushmaster is semiautomatic....doesn't meet the definition of the assault weapons ban.  Never mind that you can fire dozens of rounds in a minute and there is no legit hunting or self-defense use for such a weapon--the ban only applies to what most of us would call "machine guns".  

      Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

      by Mark Mywurtz on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:19:56 AM PST

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      •  that's actually incorrect (1+ / 0-)
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        political junquie

        machine guns have been heavily regulated since the 30s. i'm not sure if machine guns are explicitly banned in CT, but most legislation doesn't even address automatics because they're so damned rare and expensive.

        i haven't seen the weapon yet, but my guess would be that it's specifically designed to get around the assault weapon ban by removing certain banned features, like bayonet lugs or pistol grips.

        •  Here's the language (2+ / 0-)
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          gramofsam1, sporks

          "Assault weapon" means any one of the following:

          1.         Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms:  Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 Carbien type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 Series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; USI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol.

          2.         A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (1) or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (1) may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

          3.         Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) that meets the following criteria:

          (A)  A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

          i.          a folding or telescopic stock;

          ii.          a pistol grip;

          iii.         a bayonet mount;

          iv.         a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

          v.         a grenade launcher.

          (B)  A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

          i.          an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

          ii.          a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

          iii.         a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

          iv.         a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

          v.         a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

          (C)  A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

          i.          a folding or telescoping stock;

          ii.          a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

          iii.         a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and

          iv.         an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

          4.         A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3), or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3), may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

          Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

          by Mark Mywurtz on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:35:06 AM PST

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          •  Yes, that was what I was looking at- (0+ / 0-)

            and I still have no idea if the Bushmaster that Lanza used would meet the criteria for section 3.  This stuff is so technical that it's no wonder the laws are confusing.

            •  key part (2+ / 0-)
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              gramofsam1, SoCalSal

              ok, so autos were banned by the AWB. That's actually pretty rare. Most states don't ban automatic weapons. Again, because they're so heavily regulated by the federal gov to begin with.

              anyway, this is the key:

              3.         Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) that meets the following criteria:

              (A)  A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

              i.          a folding or telescopic stock;

              ii.          a pistol grip;

              iii.         a bayonet mount;

              iv.         a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

              v.         a grenade launcher.

              gun manufacturers can get tricky with this. they can take their normal assault weapon, remove any three components (usually the granade launcher and bayonet mount) and, voila, the same functional firearm that complies with the AWB.

              This is why, generally, assault weapons bans (as they are now) are full of shit. They ban weapons that have a few cosmetic features different from what's allowed.

              •  Yeah that's kinda what I thought- (1+ / 0-)
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                jabney

                still trying to wrap my head around a grenade launcher being an option for civilians.

                •  if it's any comfort, the grenades are (2+ / 0-)
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                  gramofsam1, jabney

                  classified as destructive devices, and therefore out of the reach of %99.9999 of people. Only the rich can afford those. its a totally cosmetic thing.

                  which reinforces the fact that AWB's modeled on the 1993 one are total shit.

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