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  •  I believe your essential mistake is (12+ / 0-)

    trying to understand right wing/NR "critiques" rationally.

    They are incoherent stews of hostility, ignorance, mockery - designed to rile up and confuse and ultimately, destroy the  very possibility of raitonal discourse.

    My overarching theory  is that these are the lapdogs of the plutocrats, and they do their masters' bidding by lobbing rhetorical grenades into the public square, so that we can never fix anything.

    •  Their intent is to change the subject. (10+ / 0-)

      That's all their intent ever is.  Buy time, start talking about something else, perhaps derail any new regulations.  Doesn't matter if it's a totally inane argument.  As long as it slows things down and moves the conversation to a "blame someone else" area.

      I have a feeling that Sandy Hook was just too big for that tactic to work.  Just too horrific.

      A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

      by dougymi on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:39:37 AM PST

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    •  They're lapdogs...but like dogs... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...they genuinely like their role and find it interesting.  Dogs don't just fetch because they get a treat.  They like fetching!

      You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

      by Rich in PA on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:48:31 AM PST

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      •  Sure, if you're a sociopathic government-hater (1+ / 0-)
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        (I am starting to think a hatred of government is actually a hard-wired trait. I'm seeing it in people I never expected, and with a virulence that's almost frightening)... it's probably fun to being a total and complete asshole.

        I can actually predict all these arguments and idiocies in advance, and am pretty good at making them myself. I guess there is some fun for these lapdogs, yes.

    •  no (2+ / 0-)
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      it's more that an investment in an authoritarian hierarchical societal organization.

      These organizations bully and shame people into obedience of unrealistic behavioral codes predicated on defining a single norm of hyper-macho "Super-man" against which all of judged.

      These macho men must be the head of the household. Women who expect respect at work, wives who expect a partnership in a marriage are castrating. Ms Allen would not dare say this aloud, so instead, she sulks waiting for an excuse to put out her complaint...

      Any tragedy of any kind is an excuse to trot out this critique of contemporary society by authoritarians like Charlotte Allen, who find the idea of fluid gender roles repugnant and threatening.

      Dems in swing districts: INSIST your republican rep incr tax on the wealthy -gerrymandering makes rep vulnerable...swing district list: http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1162387/48457188

      by grrr on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:21:34 AM PST

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      •  Yes, but who has been behind this sentiment (1+ / 0-)
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        from the beginning of time?

        The authoritarian priest types have ever done the bidding of the elites. And yes, those priest types have seemed to have a deep investment in authoritarian, patriarchical systems.

        But the elites themselves don't abide by these strictures. Behind closed doors in their lavish dwellings and clubs and gatherings, they act with wild abandon and freedom. Because they are the last word.

        •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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          Maybe you're right. Certainly, Ms Allen is a mediocre writer singing for her supper, and does not count as elite.

          But the elites themselves don't abide by these strictures. Behind closed doors in their lavish dwellings and clubs and gatherings, they act with wild abandon and freedom.
          I'm not so sure that's so...The rules are less rigid for the elite, but in authoritarian societies, any deviant behavior, even among elites, is expected to be hidden - the threat of exposure and exile from the elite - is a serious weapon to maintain control...and a source of political intrigue that keeps everyone fearful.

          Dems in swing districts: INSIST your republican rep incr tax on the wealthy -gerrymandering makes rep vulnerable...swing district list: http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1162387/48457188

          by grrr on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:36:55 AM PST

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