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  •  I'm shocked that (15+ / 0-)

    one is able to buy a 50cal sniper I looked it up.

    The model pictured above, the Model 82A1, will run you between $9k & $11.6k, depending on what 'options' you choose.

    Regardless of how you feel about gun control legislation, I personally can see no reason to sell a weapon capable of shooting a jetliner out of the sky. None.  (warning: pdf)

    "The better I know people, the more I like my dog."

    by Thinking Fella on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 07:44:26 AM PST

    •  There's no reason to own any assault weapon (4+ / 0-)

      or firearm or add-on equipment that allows you to fire off more than 5-10 rounds a minute, be accurate beyond several hundred yards or penetrate anything tougher than buffalo hide. If you can't hunt, target shoot or defend yourself within such limits, you shouldn't be allowed to do any of these.

      Now, I'm not a gun person so I just threw out these reference points for illustration. I'm amenable to their being modified as per firearm experts. But surely they can't be that far off the mark. The only exceptions that make sense to me (other than law enforcement, security services and the military) are for target shooting on legitimate target ranges, with firearms required to be kept and safely locked on the premises and not taken home.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 08:00:34 AM PST

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    •  Since there is no effective way to spend (3+ / 0-)
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      between $9k & $11.6k on penis enlargement, being the proud owner of a 50cal sniper rifle must be the next best thing?

    •  No kidding, especially considering us jetliner (0+ / 0-)

      passengers subjected to every indignity shy of a prostrate exam to fly safe.

      "God bless us, every one!" ~ T. Tim

      by jwinIL14 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 08:16:31 AM PST

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    •  It is more than that. If you purchase it.... (0+ / 0-)

      You go through a MUCH MORE STRINGENT background check, closer to that of getting a top secret clearance.

      Your fingerprints, DNA, etc are required, and the Feds know each and every owner.

      You cant take down an airliner.... they have multiple engines... but you can take out a MiG or F16 or helicopter gunship, assuming you are a really REALLY good shot, and get lucky.

      It is integral to the US Army and Marines, but make no mistake, there have been plenty of 50 Cal rifles over the last 80 years. Though the core sniper rifle of the US military is the Remington M24. It is a 30-odd-6 hunting rifle built with extreme precision.

      •  not take down an airliner?... try on takeoff (1+ / 0-)
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        when the plane is past the go no-go point and needs full power - taking out one engine on a two engine jet or two on one wing on a four engine could cause it to lose power at a critical point, catch on fire and likely lead to the loss of the plane and all passengers.

        It would be easy with the right placement behind or better, ahead  of the runway and some knowledge of the worst possible point to have catastrophic loss of power with or without a concomitant fire. Much easier to hit the plane on takeoff or just after than at high altitude... and with the likelihood it would come down in a populated area.

        It does not bear thinking about. We rightly ban stinger heat seeking shoulder fired missiles... but here is a simpler arm but one that is still potentially deadly in the wrong hands that is freely available relatively speaking... albeit with some additional checks but the NRA seems to want to water down just about all safety checks etc.

        And the same weapon could take out the pilots too in a similar scenario...

        Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

        by IreGyre on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:49:26 PM PST

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    •  These are the sort of thing that terror groups (0+ / 0-)

      love... the IRA used a high power sniper rifle to kill police and soldiers from a great distance and needless to say the killers were eventually stopped one way or the other and the weapons taken out of service. They never had very many of them since they were hard to come by. the fact that they did get their hands on a few only highlights the danger they posed and the nightmare had they had been able to get their hands on more of them.

      having a lot floating around in the US in civilian hands is not a healthy thing.

      Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

      by IreGyre on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:39:37 PM PST

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