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  •  Full metal Jacket (4+ / 0-)

    Ar not armor piercing usually. In fact most military ammo is full metal jacket because they are LESS likely to kill people.

    I may be wrong about this but non full metal jacket ammo, like hollow points and soft points that are designed for hunting or self defense because they expand on impact are banned from military use because they are too damaging.

    •  Bullet Control Is A Total Circle Jerk (5+ / 0-)

      First of all, FMY doesn't equal armor piercing.  Your local police departments pistols may well contain FMJ ammo.

      Second, FMJ is less lethal than hollow points but for the military performs better against vehicles or through a helmet.   That's still not "armor piercing."  And you'd be much better being shot by a FMJ than a hollow point.  In warfare, a serious wound consumes the resources  3 to 8 people to care for the wounded.

      Third, hollow points are deadlier, but hollow points are often required by law for use while hunting.

      Fourth, simply trying to make shooting too expensive or inconvenient by dicking around with bullets will turn every sportsman in America against gun control, especially those who would otherwise support regulations.

      Five, there is nothing to support the idea that regulating bullets would prevent shooting sprees.  While someone might wallow in self righteous indignation that a person owns 5,000 rounds of ammo, so what? Would it have made a difference if he owned 500?  200?  

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 08:11:10 AM PST

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      •  Note also that Hollow Points and other (3+ / 0-)

        "Fragible ammunition" is specifically banned by the Geneva conventions because of the hypernasty wounds they cause.

      •  Well, you could make it illegal to sell, possess (1+ / 0-)
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        or manufacture 0.50 caliber bullets outside of government hands. That would help deal with the Barrett issue, wouldn't it? Not right away, of course. But over time. The thing I fear most about the Barrett is its potential for use in assassinations. There is probably not an armored limo that can withstand it.

        The first time I heard of the Barrett, it was a story of how a bullet from one shattered the engine block of an Iraq armored column in the first Gulf War and that induced all of the Iraqi soldiers to surrender immediately, not that they needed tremendous inducement anyway.

        There are over 5000 of these rifles in private hands in the USA.

        For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

        by Anne Elk on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:45:12 AM PST

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        •  "50 caliber" includes musket balls, pistol ammo (2+ / 0-)
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          If you want to say "50 caliber BMG" (Browning Machine Gun) that's better.  Keep in mind that the "bullets" aren't the issue, it is the brass cartridges (even empty)  which are the crucial component.   Legislation is always better when it's not a word salad.

          There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

          by bernardpliers on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:08:01 AM PST

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          •  Thanks for pointing that out. (1+ / 0-)
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            Not a legislator.

            For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

            by Anne Elk on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:11:39 AM PST

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