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  •  He will need GOP votes to pass any bill on gun (29+ / 0-)

    control much like Bill Clinton before him. Thats a fact.

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:09:12 AM PST

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    •  And with the Pushback from the NRA (3+ / 0-)
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      and the non-stop propaganda that will be fed to us until the NEXT shooting incident, that isn't likely to happen anyway.

      Our "National Conversation" has already morphed into a discussion of video game violence, since that's what the senate is gearing up to go after once again.

      IMHO, this was a wasted opportunity.  Again.

      I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

      by detroitmechworks on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:13:12 AM PST

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      •  NRA will always push back and they did so even (12+ / 0-)

        when Bill Clinton passed the Assault weapons ban. And it passed with the help of many GOPers at the time.  

        "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

        by LaurenMonica on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:25:49 AM PST

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      •  In order to make that argument (6+ / 0-)

        it seems that you have to ignore all of the other plans coming out of Congress to focus on just the one.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

        Rockefeller's bill comes before any legislation in the Senate to look at the role guns play in violent incidents, although both Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) have announced plans to introduce gun control legislation in the next Congress. In the House, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) are pushing a bill mirroring Lautenberg's that would ban the manufacturing of high-capacity magazines.
        That article pretty well demolishes Rockefeller's proposed study as a waste of time. Calling the opportunity wasted before anything happens doesn't seem particularly constructive, though.

        There is nothing so ridiculous that some philosopher has not said it. -- Cicero

        by tytalus on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:26:06 AM PST

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        •  I'd like to believe that. (1+ / 0-)
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          And I hope I'm wrong and you're right.

          But once again I don't think that excuses the president for passing the buck to the people and claiming that he can't do anything.

          I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

          by detroitmechworks on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:31:57 AM PST

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          •  isn't it interesting that (4+ / 0-)
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            you fault him for calling for public pressure after we've had 3 days of calls for public pressure on him over a bill never written, a deal never made.  

            Apparently it 's more socially significant to oppose the President than it is to support him in a cause we seem to be in agreement on.  

            Democrats have a big tent and no ability to work toward common goals, Republicans can move mountains with nothing but angry old white guys?   Great way to move the country left, or something.

            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

            by I love OCD on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:34:21 AM PST

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            •  So... what, the president doesn't listen? (0+ / 0-)

              At least to his base?

              He completely ignored the public pressure and went with his own decision. The reason it failed was because the Republicans were too stupid to see a gimme when it's staring them in the face.

              Now, he wants us to pressure him MORE, even though there have been non-stop calls for gun control from his base for years?

              It's an excuse to be "Reasonable" with psychopaths.  

              I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

              by detroitmechworks on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:44:53 AM PST

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              •  You missed the part about who to pressure. (0+ / 0-)

                Presidents sign bills into law, or not, they don't write them or vote on them in Congress.  The pressure needs to be on a Congress terrified of the NRA.  They need to be aware of   of inaction from US, fuck the NRA.

                Or punish him for whatthefuckever and maybe a hospital nursery will be the next target.  Temper tantrums on the Left usually result in bad shit for the Left.  I wonder if we'll ever get that.

                I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                by I love OCD on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:38:06 PM PST

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      •  it's only a wasted opportunity (4+ / 0-)

        if we don't avail ourselves of it.

        what lies at the nexus of gun violence?  poverty, education, mental health and guns.

        the NRA will only get their knickers all atwist over guns.  if we push anti-poverty stimulus, increased education funding and expanded mental health coverage as the antidote to gun violence, it gives the GOP a real sophie's choice.

        they can't do nothing and they're not about to piss off the NRA; hell, half of them are crazy enough to agree that what we need is guns in every school.  

        so we use this golden opportunity to push liberal policies we all love and want. because it's one thing to obstruct for the sake of obstructing; it's another entirely to obstruct remedies to gun violence in the current climate.  and at least the NRA wouldn't give a fuck, since their precious isn't being targeted.  who knows...they might be so relieved at that, they climb on board to save face!

        Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

        by Cedwyn on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:15:25 AM PST

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        •  Actually, the NRA would oppose pretty (1+ / 0-)
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          much any policy that would promote peace and prosperity for people.

          Chaos drives sales for them and if you didn't see that in this press conference, go back and watch it again.

          Paranoia, fear and threats of danger all help to increase their sales numbers.

          That is why the NRA in its current iteration with its current leadership should not be allowed a seat at the table.

      •  It's the guns--period. (1+ / 0-)
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        "If it were up to me, I'd take away the guns."--Cheryl Wheeler

        by lyvwyr101 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:37:49 AM PST

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    •  How ridiculous (3+ / 0-)
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      He can't get even get the republicans to agree to have the tax on the extremely rich go up even a little--he's never going to get approval of gun control from this House.  

      They like guns even more than they hate taxes on the rich.

      "To recognize error, to cut losses, to alter course, is the most repugnant option in government." Historian Barbara Tuchman

      by Publius2008 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:14:03 AM PST

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