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  •  Mental illness help (1+ / 0-)
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    will not be a solution where no attacks happen .
    Ill people under care still do "things" .

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:44:01 AM PST

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    •  I would rather have someone come at me with (5+ / 0-)

      a knife or chair than a gun, if I'm attacked at all.

      **Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does** h/t Clytemnestra/Victoria Jackson

      by glorificus on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:57:20 AM PST

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      •  If Lanza only had a knife, he may still have (3+ / 0-)
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        killed his mom, but odds are that 26 others would probably be still alive.

      •  And why are you saying that to me ? (0+ / 0-)

        "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

        by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:19:41 AM PST

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        •  Because you said, "Ill people under care (1+ / 0-)
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          still do "things" .

          I'm not arguing ALL attacks will stop, but getting rid of guns can make them less lethal.

          I know RKBA does not agree with that, but the numbers are clear. The ATF has the numbers but the Tiarht (sp?) Amendment is the NRA-paid way to silence them.

          **Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does** h/t Clytemnestra/Victoria Jackson

          by glorificus on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:28:46 AM PST

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          •  Are you thinking that I might be (0+ / 0-)

            part of the rkba ?

            "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

            by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:32:48 AM PST

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            •  The excuse sounds like one they would make. (0+ / 0-)

              **Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does** h/t Clytemnestra/Victoria Jackson

              by glorificus on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:11:06 PM PST

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              •  What "excuse" ? (0+ / 0-)

                "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:23:12 PM PST

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              •  ... (0+ / 0-)
                 now imagine if nancy's son got mental illness help
                I would push for the solution where no attacks happen no matter what weapon the person would pick.

                by dan667 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:21:02 AM PST

                Mental illness help

                will not be a solution where no attacks happen .
                Ill people under care still do "things" .

                by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:44:01 AM PST

                 I would rather have someone come at me with

                a knife or chair than a gun, if I'm attacked at all.

                by glorificus on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:57:20 AM PST

                And why are you saying that to me ?

                by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:19:41 AM PST

                 Because you said, "Ill people under care still do "things" .

                I'm not arguing ALL attacks will stop, but getting rid of guns can make them less lethal.

                I know RKBA does not agree with that, but the numbers are clear. The ATF has the numbers but the Tiarht (sp?) Amendment is the NRA-paid way to silence them.

                by glorificus on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:28:46 AM PST

                Are you thinking that I might be
                part of the rkba ?

                by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:32:48 AM PST

                The excuse sounds like one they would make.

                by glorificus on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:11:06 PM PST

                What "excuse" ?

                by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:23:12 PM PST

                "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:40:57 PM PST

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                •  This "excuse": (0+ / 0-)
                  Mental illness help
                  will not be a solution where no attacks happen .
                  Ill people under care still do "things" .
                  You are saying that controlling the number of guns will not completely eliminate attacks, so therefore gun control should not be considered at all.

                  This is a common RKBA argument. However, I've noticed certain very verbose RKBAers have shut up for the past 2 days, which makes me happy.

                  My point is more people die when guns are involved.

                  **Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does** h/t Clytemnestra/Victoria Jackson

                  by glorificus on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:22:44 PM PST

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                  •  Eh ? (0+ / 0-)
                    You are saying that controlling the number of guns will not completely eliminate attacks, so therefore gun control should not be considered at all.
                    I said nothing of the sort . That's a misunderstanding on your part . If it was intentional or not , you could not be more wrong as to lumping me in with the rkba . I think you need to think about what you are doing .

                    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                    by indycam on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:47:34 AM PST

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                  •  Here is a hint for you . (0+ / 0-)
                    There is one best way , imho . (11+ / 0-)

                    And its the very extreme opposite of what the nra thinks .

                    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                    by indycam on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:47:02 AM PST

                    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

                    by indycam on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:52:53 AM PST

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      •  If wishes were horses, (0+ / 0-)

        everyone would ride.

        Columbine was an apt demonstration that a gun free zone plus slow response from officers more concerned for their own safety than the safety of people under attack. Remember, they are not obligated to protect your life or the life of your little ones.

        Dozens of school knife sprees across China have resulted in many dead. The children in the last knife attack incident were only fortunate for the fact they didn't die like the others.

        Meanwhile we have to protect life and deal with violent criminals, armed with whatever they bring to violate life. But whatever. To prohibitionists, facts are only a means to a self-dealing end.

        Prohibition is always about feeling morally superior about something they fear because of ignorance, while smugly living in complete blindness to the real problems real life presents for everyone outside of their social bubble.

        The whole decade needs an asterisk.

        by James Kresnik on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:42:01 PM PST

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        •  Show verification of 'dozens' and 'many dead'. (2+ / 0-)
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          Dozens of school knife sprees across China have resulted in many dead. The children in the last knife attack incident were only fortunate for the fact they didn't die like the others.
          While I've read there have been other knife attacks, I think your statement is greatly exaggerated.

          "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

          by 417els on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:26:57 PM PST

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        •  "Dozens of knifing sprees" (2+ / 0-)
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          Dozens? Prove it.

          liberal bias = failure to validate or sufficiently flatter the conservative narrative on any given subject

          by RockyMtnLib on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 06:16:17 PM PST

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