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  •  mahakali, in truth, I have no clue what drives the (0+ / 0-)

    sane, or insane to violence upon innocent children, themselves, or others.  

    •  The drive is a mystery, the vehicle is quite clear (2+ / 0-)
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      Guns and Ammo.  

      Attention clinging warm gun fetishists.  Trade in your gun for Viagra.

      Anthrax, atom bombs, and personal drones.  

      Even free speech and religon have reasonable limits.    

      These irresponsible people have to face the death and destruction they cause others.  

      Barack Hussein Obama- Don't Mock the Constitution.

      by odenthal on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 01:42:48 PM PST

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    •  Disordered thinking and unreasonable (2+ / 0-)
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      emotional responses or disinhibition to their thoughts. I don't think the sane (I dislike that term -- I mean here the non-psychotic, roughly) commit acts of gun violence toward children unless there is some other social force at play that creates organized violence en masse, such as we see with the military at times, with militias, with genocides, and sometimes with gang violence. Non-socially-sanctified violence committed by an individual is due to problems thinking, reasoning, and feeling clearly and appropriately in response to a given situation. This can occasionally be due to organic issues that are not mental illness but are brain tumor, injury, endocrine problems when extreme, toxicity, etc. but in the absence of these, the usual cause is a small group of known psychiatric disorders that almost every mass murderer has been afflicted by.

      If you've ever known someone who was suffering from psychosis, paranoia, delusional thinking, or hallucinations, it's easy to see what causes these sorts of people to commit acts of violence that are senseless. There isn't much mystery to this other than what causes some to suffer certain thought disorders and others not to, certain types of delusions and others not to.

      I would caution people against using the broad term "mental illness," which includes almost every one in it to some degree other other. I think the issue is, of course, dangerous and disordered thoughts which arise from usually schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorders, and sometimes extreme mania, all of which are fairly treatable.

      I don't know what Adam Lanza suffered from. We will probably find out in time. He had medical records, obviously. He had known problems. He may not have been diagnosed, of course, because these problems can arise in young men of his age. If he had other issues such as Aspergers, that could have masked their diagnosis since he wasn't very communicative with many people.

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      by mahakali overdrive on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:01:53 PM PST

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      •  mahakali, I agree with your caution against labels (0+ / 0-)

        May I include any bias towards those with Aspergers'?

        I'll refrain from a full force frontal attack on the stupidity of your learned opinion.  "If he had other issues such as Aspergers, that could have masked their diagnosis since he wasn't very communicative with many people."

        It's my hope you are not representing Ms. Oliver.

        •  I'm not following your comment (1+ / 0-)
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          Who is Ms. Oliver?

          I hold very strong support for those with Asperger's and feel that they've been oddly included in this all. It's as irrelevent that Adam Lanza had something like Asperger's as it is that he had brown hair. The only possible relevance is if, because of his Asperger's, no one paid attention to his other, non-Asperger's problems (if he displayed these; we don't know). Or, he could have been misdiagnosed.

          This is why I say we ought to really wait for medical records information.

          But setting Lanza aside for a moment, having followed mass murders for years, the issue of disordered thinking/psychosis has been distinct in almost all of these cases. We can walk historically down the line and see this.

          It's of interest to me for the reason which I've noted before: my uncle was an untreated schizophrenic who was violent and harmed others and then killed himself. His father was a treated schizophrenic was was violent but then received care and did not kill himself.

          I hold no stigma toward anyone with mental illness. I am angry with the United States for its failure to adequately protect people with certain serious psychiatric problems, to fail to help these folks, and to let them wind up victimizing others as well because of this failure. I've written about this extensively over the past week or so.

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          by mahakali overdrive on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:47:41 PM PST

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