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  •  It's easy to be obstructionists when you have (7+ / 0-)


    House Republicans, in particular, argue that they won elections as well and they see their ability to retain control of the House as granting them the right to stick to their own views

    Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause. - Gandhi

    by SpamNunn on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 04:53:34 AM PST

    •  Hey senate rethugs.....Boner's gonna need a little (4+ / 0-)

      help.....The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

    •  An illegitimate Hose majority (4+ / 0-)

      House Republicans won one million fewer votes in 2012, but true to form, resorted to trickery to keep their grasp on power.

      •  About That "Illegitimate" House Majority (5+ / 0-)

        It was made possible by the 2010 Great White Anti-Obama Backlash in which RepubliKlans not only took over the US House, they also came to dominate many formerly blue states - such as PA, OH, MI, and WI - and were able to use the 2010 Census to gerrymander their state congressional districts to favor the GOP

        Elections have consequences!

        Perhaps if in 2010, White America had not lost whatever minds they have, they would have voted for for their own best interest, instead of hating on that Black guy in their White House.

        Then again, as White Americans voted RepubliKlan at even a higher percentage in 2012 than in 2010, it seems that they still have a long way to go in regards to voting their interests instead of their bigotry.

        I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

        by OnlyWords on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:54:57 AM PST

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        •  Consider this: that Republicans see voting (0+ / 0-)

          their bigotry as voting their interests.  Republicans gives the impression of being much more wedded to their bigotry, discrimination and need to control others (while harping on their own "freedoms") than Democrats.  The Democratic party appears to have fewer single-issue voters than Republicans.  It appears that most Democrats see economic interests as paramount; Republican voters consider other interests more important than economic interests.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:22:17 AM PST

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        •  Basis of the Republicans' House majority: (2+ / 0-)
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          Gerrymandering at the state level, plain and simple.

      •  Haven't they heard of gerrymandering? (2+ / 0-)
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        The Republicans who claim that they have a popular mandate forgot about all the gerrymandering they've done in so many state legislatures.

        In North Carolina especially, the Republican ability to draw the lines was more responsible for the GOP majority in the House than any real popular support for their policies.

        The furor over Friday's [10.5] job report revealed a political movement that is rooting for American failure, so obsessed with taking down Obama that good news drives its members into a blind rage. -Paul Krugman

        by Judge Moonbox on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:23:12 AM PST

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        •  Uh huh, and they are good at it. CONSEQUENCES. (1+ / 0-)
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          Elections have consequences, all elections. Thus, "the people voted" in 2009 in Virginia and 2010 elsewhere to put these retrograde TP/GOP types into office precisely before a gerrymandering party could begin.

          Anybody here that sat out those state and local elections has only to look in the mirror to find some blame. Make sure it does not happen in any election, particularly 2013 in Virginia and 2014 elsewhere.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:21:47 AM PST

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      •  Failure Of Democracy (2+ / 0-)
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        Governments in a Democracy should reflect the popular will. Shouldn't there be some splintering of House Republicans who moderate their views to join with the Democrats to at times form a majority coalition in the House? So gerrymandering, outside money and fear of a teabagger taking them on in a primary has made this natural democratic process unmentionable. Saw Nate silver's latest about potential house governing coalitions and a Democratic minority combing with Republican moderates is not even considered.  So this is the status quo until hopefully Democratic wins in 2020 will allow them to redistrict. This is the most depressing element in politics today.

        •  Outta, couldda, wouldda—nope! They won in the (2+ / 0-)
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          political districts that count. "Should" is just hot air.

          We let that happen in many places by not pushing just as hard in mid-terms that selected the state legislatures that would create the Congressional Districts for the next decade and the 2012 House. In the absence of many Obama supporters their side won and still will speak in the House for two more years, probably figuratively breaking Obama's ankle in a delaying action hoping for another sweep in 2014 where they can retake the Senate.

          We had better not let that happen. In military terms winning those presidential years, celebrating and going home is like winning one battle without mopping up to find an insurgent war in your rear. We'd damn well better learn to mop up!

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:27:48 AM PST

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          •  The Casual Democratic Voter (1+ / 0-)
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            Voting only in the presidential years. To a great extent they might be low information and not fully realize the role they play in the current situation.

            •  That is one of our biggest problems. (0+ / 0-)

              Republican allies in the mega churches have that bully pulpit to turn out the religious right base. We had union halls, but what has replaced that?

              One of the difficulties I see in the "progressive" and "liberal" voter (and I have that tendency myself) is that they tend to not be joiners. From churches to clubs we tend to not get into those close, regular groups to organize things.

              As an old guy I also see a declining understanding of civics and the gut sense that turning out for every election is how you can occasionally get and keep the good and at least give the worst of two bad choices the boot. That last is very important in the local elections where so many of these idiots get first office, name recognition and a step to higher office.

              The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

              by pelagicray on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 05:58:24 PM PST

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      •  Republican gerrymandering plus right wing.. (1+ / 0-)
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        ..supreme court made it possible for GOP to keep the house that more American voted for Democrats
        Why Americans Actually Voted For A Democratic House
        House Democrats got more votes than House Republicans. Yet Boehner says he’s got a mandate?
        How Ridiculous Gerrymanders Saved the House Republican Majority

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        Mother Jones - Now that's what I call gerrymandering!

    •  You can't gerrymander by yourself. (0+ / 0-)

      The Democrats cooperate in this process in every state.   It's not like any one party can stack the deck.   The system does not work that way.  Geez, I wish people would read a book or two before they spout off.  

      Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause. - Gandhi

      by SpamNunn on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 02:20:25 PM PST

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