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  •  nl (0+ / 0-)

    has decades of real life experience on the ground, in the trenches, where it isn't all sweetness and light.   i respect her opinion, especially on issues that affect the poorest among us, even when i disagree with it.  hers is a voice i miss reading here.  i hope she replies.

    i've given PBO enormous slack and i can't begin to square the tabling of ss and the debt.  it makes no sense to me at all.

    "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

    by kj in missouri on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:17:16 PM PST

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    •  david mizner's post (15+ / 0-)

      from a couple days ago- obama has been hinting at something like this for a long time. lots of quotes.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:19:15 PM PST

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      •  i'll look into it, thanks. /nt (1+ / 0-)
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        "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

        by kj in missouri on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:34:31 PM PST

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      •  The amount of denial necessary to ignore (6+ / 0-)

        his past comments and actions is staggering.

        •  It makes it harder for many of us to oppose, fight (4+ / 0-)
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          against bad policy when there are those who ostensibly are on "our side" who continually make excuses for the bad policy.

          •  Not if we learn to recognize who is and is (2+ / 0-)
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            not on our side and act accordingly.

            "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

            by JesseCW on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:04:37 PM PST

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            •  Like how, some Stalinist purge? No, dude... (4+ / 0-)

              Obama and his supporters our on our side. They are most definitely not on the side of the GOP. I have come to the conclusion that they are blind to certain realities, that Obama is indeed a flawed leader. He doesn't walk on water. He also believes things that are simply wrong. Specifically, he seems to buy into the notion that there is a debt crisis and that Social Security needs to be "fixed".

              Smart people make mistakes all the time, largely because they're so smart they start to think every else is just stupid. If Social Security does get cut I will be properly outraged. But I reject this pessimistic, dystopian view of yours that it is the beginning of the end of all that is good and decent. We (Democrats) are winning, in spite of it all. Demographic trends are in our favor big time, and the GOP is indeed self destructing. If the chained CPI goes through, it doesn't mean it can't be unchained by a future congress. Things will get better.

              You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

              by Eric Stratton on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:19:20 PM PST

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              •  That's not it (4+ / 0-)

                This has nothing to do with Obama's ability to process information, which far more than adequate to be a president. It has to do with the fact that he is working for some constituencies, who contributed to his campaign, and on whom his future comfort depends, whose interests are nothing like yours or mine.

                In short -- he is working for the 1% too. Not exclusively for the 1% as Romney would have done, but significantly for the 1%. He would not have been elected otherwise.

                •  A reasonable point. (0+ / 0-)

                  He probably understands that he can't just give Wall Street the middle finger. There is no doubt that doing so would hurt the future prospects for himself and his family. But I reject the notion that he is anything other than a decent man who wishes to do what he believes is right and moral.

                  However you are mistaken if you think that just because he's smart he can see what is obvious to us. It doesn't always work that way. Countless brilliant CEO's ended up running their companies into the ground, not because of corruption or malice, but because they simply saw things that weren't there and then missed the obvious. It's more common than you think.

                  He buys into neo-liberal economic theory. That's all. He thinks it's the only way forward. He's wrong. I happen to think those of you who long for socialism are just as wrong. I don't think that's going to work, from either a policy or political standpoint. We could argue about this for hours and probably get nowhere. So I'm just going to end this by saying I'm completely opposed to any cuts to Social Security, fulls stop. Raise the payroll cap. Raise income taxes. Cut military spending or subsidies for Big Oil or whatever. But no cuts to SS benefits.

                  You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

                  by Eric Stratton on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:00:44 PM PST

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              •  "Stalinist Purge"? Are you feeling ok? (0+ / 0-)

                People who are trying to cut social security aren't on my side.

                They're not on your side.

                They're not Democrats.

                But they're definitely active here.  When they push extremist Republican policies, they need to be treated like extremist Republicans.

                "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

                by JesseCW on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:11:00 PM PST

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                •  Does the label "Democrat" mean anything? (0+ / 0-)

                  That's the question that I keep coming back to again and again.

                  People say that it does, but then they act in ways that tell me that it doesn't.

                  If it means something as far as policy, I don't see it. If it meant something as far as values, I don't see it.

                  When there are no lines or defines that you aren't willing to cross over, and when all one has to do is say "I am a Democrat" without meaning anything other than t hey joined the party, what does Democrat mean? Does it mean anything? Again, I don't see it.

              •  I seriously don't get how you go from (0+ / 0-)

                "treat them like they're not on our side" to "Stalinist!".

                But reading your comments, I'm thinking it's got a lot more to do you with you than me.

                "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

                by JesseCW on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:05:48 PM PST

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