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  •  In many cases, yes (2+ / 0-)
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    mmacdDE, stormicats

    And this is borne out by the existing data.

    In most cases the desire to commit suicide is a transitory thing. Even for a person deeply depressed, thoughts of suicide are seldom constant and the desire to act is even less so.

    The longer it takes to commit the act or the more difficult it is, the less likely they are to succeed or want to succeed.

    It takes time to set up a rope, it takes time to bleed out (and razors are painful), it takes time to succumb to pills (if you have the right pills, many failed suicides are due to using non-lethal pills), it takes time and effort to drown one's self.

    A gun in the drawer by the bed is a very quick and easy way to commit an irreversible act.

    That's also the reason that a gun in the home is significantly more likely to be used to harm a family member than to be used to stop a crime: Arguments are a lot more common than break ins, and people likely to think that guns are a "solution" are more likely to use them in a family dispute.

    •  If you knew (4+ / 0-)

      how many "family disputes" happened in my own home prior to the ultimate end of my marriage, and how many times guns were ever involved (zero) I would hope you wouldn't simply write that off to blind luck and go on your merry way.

      •  Your arguments are crude. (0+ / 0-)

        I had a few beers on a few occasions and decided to wait long enough to be sober again before driving. So we can eliminate all the drinking and driving laws in the USA.

        This better be good. Because it is not going away.

        by DerAmi on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 05:13:45 AM PST

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      •  Gun crazies always use the same (3+ / 0-)
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        S F Hippie, LakeGirl, Thorby Baslim

        types of arguments: Well I never did anything bad so we don't need to regulate the thing I worship.

        (Sorry I have ZERO respect for the gun loonies these days. ZERO. After Newton and the downright evil, lying, crazy, arrogant, smarmy, slimy, stupid, utterlay-damned-to-hell-by-any-rational-god responses of the gun fucktards, sorry, but they have no credibility. Zippo. None at all.

        Also sorry that the Kos courtesy police are going to react more strenuously and shocked, just SHOCKED! to this response than to the responses of the gun asswipes.

        Again, sorry, but I am just DONE with the lying gun fools.

        Maybe I'll feel like being nicer in a few years. But unless we go a couple of years without another God-fucking-damned MASSACRE of INNOCENT FUCKING CHILDREN, probably not.)

        So whether YOU have ever shot anyone is irrelevant to the law or the debate. Not every observation about the universe is about YOU. It is not necessary for YOU to have experienced or done something for it to be true and valid.

        The fact remains that people have more arguments in their homes than suffer home invasions. The presence of a gun in the home DOES increase the likelihood of it being used in such a dispute. Far more people are injured and killed in family disputes than EVER use a gun to deter a crime... by orders of magnitude. Just as the presence of a gun increases the likelihood that a suicide attempt will succeed.

        These are simple facts and truth regardless of whether they describe YOUR experience or not. YOU are not the entire world.

      •  I had the same problem with my first marriage (1+ / 0-)
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        kestrel9000

        In retrospect she needed serious help. She pulled knives on me and attacked me physically several times. I'm glad we didn't have guns.

        "Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom. " - Death (Terry Pratchett character)

        by Thorby Baslim on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 08:28:46 AM PST

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