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  •  Maybe you need to get out of... (0+ / 0-)

    ...whatever narrow area you live in and get a feel for how most of the country lives.

    Really, your pathological hatred of cars has hijacked a diary on gun control, and if you honestly believe that most Americans live in urban areas where cars are unnecessary, you are obviously grossly dissociated from the real world.

    Strictly speaking, with a distribution of population between large cities, small cities, suburbs, and rural areas, it probably can't be said the "most" of the population lives in any one of those types of environments.  However, it certainly is the case that most do not live in high density urban environments where cars are unnecessary.  

    Over time, that might change depending on what sort of development and zoning decisions are made, and the living choices of inviduals will certainly figure in that, as well.  But even in the most optimistic scenario, cars are going to be a necessity for the majority of the US population for many years to come.

    Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

    by TexasTom on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 08:15:06 AM PST

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    •  Well over a 100 million Americans (0+ / 0-)

      Live in cities proper--not even the very near suburbs that are essentially cities (e.g., Boston versus Cambridge). A very simple set of choices could be made to greatly encourage public transportation right now.

      Treating cars as immutable facts is like treating corporate control of the media as an immutable fact.

      •  Depends on how you define "city" (0+ / 0-)

        Just pulling a list of the 50 largest cities in the US, the total population of those cities comes to just under 47 million people per 2010 census data.  And that 50 includes such meccas of urbanism as Arlington, TX and Mesa, AZ.  

        The US has 14 cities with populations over 1 million, and another 24 that are between 500,000 and a milion people.

        It's also fair to note that being within city limits of even a major city is not the same thing as being in a neighborhood where cars could be rendered unnecessary by "very simple...choices".  That's especially true for cities that grew rapidly in the post-WWII era -- a list that includes places like Dallas, but also includes supposedly progressive places like Seattle.  And such as it is, it would probably be easier for me to dispense with a car (not that it would be easy) living in a Dallas suburb than it would be for my brother in his neighbhorhood inside the city of Seattle.

        Yes, there are decisions that can and should be made to reduce our dependence on cars.  But those decisions will take decades to fully play out...

        Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

        by TexasTom on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 12:21:59 PM PST

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        •  No, these decisions can happen tomorrow (0+ / 0-)

          If we decide to invest in them. Bus routes cost practically nothing to create--they don't require the infrastructure of rail, etc.

          We could change this tomorrow, but everyone has to shake their collective head and say it's all inevitable. Americans love guns and cars. End of story.

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