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  •  Great article. I just can't fathom the drama (13+ / 0-)

    Something we hold dear was going to eventually have to be put on the table.

    Medicare eligibility age?
    Medicaid?
    Social security eligibility age!

    Chained CPI is the weakest concession of all.

    •  Exactly. Which is why we should be angry at GOP (5+ / 0-)

      extremists in the House, not the president who is doing his best to limit the damage. I wrote a full diary about that a few minutes ago: http://www.dailykos.com/...

      If you don't feel like reading the whole thing, the point is that if we want to protect the social safety net, the best thing we can do is not attack the president, but help to call out the GOP extremists and create enough outrage to produce the first ever mid-term wave in favor of the president's party in 2014.

      •  Thank you. Fine diary, happily recommended. nt (2+ / 0-)
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        "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

        by cotterperson on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 10:22:11 AM PST

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      •  2014 (1+ / 0-)
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        If the Democrats vote for cutting Social Security via a deal offered up by this president, no amount of money or political tricks can prevent the wreckage in the 2014 elections.  They will be doing themselves in.  And even those who did not vote for it will be damaged.  

        It will be blamed on the Democrats because this party has been the one to defend those programs for decades and there is not a voter in this country who doesn't know that.  Also, there is enough information in the media that people have a sense that this fiscal cliff is not quite the apolcalyptic crisis as the political geniuses and Wall Street have made it out to be.  

        80% of the country does not want Social Security touched.  Everybody knows there is waste, fraud and abuse in the humongous defense budget. Some enormous percentage of the country wants out of Afghanistan, now and does not want to leave 10K troops and god knows how many mercenaries behind that we will have to pay hundreds of billions of dollars for.  Everybody in this country knows that the wealthiest few in this country don't need any more handouts or tax breaks and that corporate profits are at a all time high.

        Nobody thinks it is fair to take from the people who have the least and give to those who have the most, unimaginable wealth for some. Nobody thinks that is "balanced".  Hell, even a lot of the 1% themselves have come out and admitted that.  


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 01:49:46 PM PST

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        •  It will be blamed on the Democrats! (1+ / 0-)
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          It will be blamed on the Democrats because this party has been the one to defend those programs for decades and there is not a voter in this country who doesn't know that.

          agreed, joanne, this is bad business not just for the poor, elderly, vets, and disabled, but also very bad for the Democratic party.

          "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

          by allenjo on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 04:12:57 PM PST

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      •  by agreeing to cuts to Social Security? (0+ / 0-)

        Do you really think that is his best?

        not the president who is doing his best to limit the damage
        What would you consider his worst?

        "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

        by allenjo on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 04:08:59 PM PST

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    •  that's a lie (5+ / 0-)

      and the worst lie of all this

      "something we hold dear was going to have to eventually be put on the table."

      No. You make Republicans put it on the table. You refuse to go along. And do it all as publicly as possible. Because the public does not want Social Security cut in any way, at any time, no way no how. If Republicans want the cuts so bad, let them suggest them.  And then let the public fallout descend on them. Meanwhile the Democrats become the heroes of the people.  When UI runs out, use your inaugural speech to tell America that the Republican party is trying to force you to choose between cutting off people's unemployment--and cutting people's Social Security benefits.  Tell the American people that you refuse to engage in a zero-sum gain that will result in Americans dying needlessly.  Tell them to organize in every district, every state that has a Republican representative or Senator, and demand accountability for those American lives that are being put at risk by cutting benefits to the unemployed, to the elderly, and to disabled soldiers. In fact, when you make this speech, have disabled veterans standing--or sitting in wheelchairs--behind you.

      PUT THE REPUBLICANS ON THE DEFENSIVE.
      MAKE THEM DEFEND SOCIAL SECURITY CUTS TO THEIR OWN CONSTITUENTS.
      BURN THEM ON THAT DAMNED THIRD RAIL.

      Of course, that's hard to do when you yourself want Social Security cuts, and signed off on an agreement with Boehner that created this situation in the first place.

      A thousand Sharkeys are invading a thousand Shires every day across our country.--James Wells

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 11:06:15 AM PST

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    •  Get ready (1+ / 0-)
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      for more of it if critical social programs are put on the chopping block by a Democratic president.  

      The party has been defending Social Security for 60+ years, Medicare for 40+, and is constantly having to defend Medicaid.  It's one of the core issues of the party and has long been held as a vitally important stance.

      You demean people by calling it drama.  I'm not sure why.  But I know one thing for sure. If this president keeps going after social programs, taking away from the people who need things the most and giving to the obscenely wealthiest few, you can expect a lot more "drama" than you have seen over the past couple of weeks.  Count on it.


      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 01:41:00 PM PST

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    •  Many dems in congress hold the MIC dear (0+ / 0-)

      not just Republicans.

      Congress never lacks votes for war funding.

      Something we hold dear was going to eventually have to be put on the table.
      So it is time for those to put the unsustainable cost of the MIC on the table, and to start closing some of the 5,000 military bases.

      The war Dems of course won't like it, but hey, something dear to them has to go on the table.

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

      by allenjo on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 04:06:57 PM PST

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