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  •  Who get's to make up those tests? (2+ / 0-)
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    happy camper, ssgbryan

    The same people who made the tests for who was smart enough to vote?

    A test would make owning a gun a matter of wealth and class. Every test can be gamed by those with money to do so.

    How is that more safe or more fair?

    •  Psychologists would write those tests (0+ / 0-)

      to identify psychopaths and sociopaths, categories that should very clearly prevent gun ownership. I read that Israel uses such tests; if true, those tests could be adopted. I understand that branches of the military also do some psychological screening.

      No, the tests could not be circumvented by wealth or class.

      The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

      by SoCalSal on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 11:05:11 AM PST

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      •  I don't buy it. (0+ / 0-)

        People open up when they take psychological tests because they want help, so the admit having feelings that they know are not socially acceptable. (for example one may admit to feeling suicidal)

        But, if you want to buy a gun why would you or anyone else answers such questions honestly?

        And if the test is subtile enough that it can "fool" people in to reveling their "true self" you can bet it will give false positives too.

        Why not try this instead: tag every gun with and RFID tag and make removing it a fairly serious crime*. It is now easy to scan for guns without forcing people to go through metal detectors or get patted down.

        In addition keep a good database of who owns all guns and where they are stored. Police could check this database before going to a house. It would be searchable by the public as well.

        What this would do is give everyone the power to control their own exposure to guns without taking guns away from those who need to use them.

        *Naturally some people will remove this tag to commit crimes but the act of removing it would instantly prove premeditation of the crime. Thus providing another deterrent. In the school shooting we se young people using their parents guns. This would mean that the young person would need to spend time modifying a weapon that they do not own. This could discourage emotional and impulsive gunmen.


        I do not like the ideas of identifying people as "unworthy" of owning a gun unless it is done by trial. Ownership bans could be given for certain crimes by judge and jury. But essentially profiling people without trail seem unfair and dangerous.

        •  We approach from differing beliefs. (0+ / 0-)

          You believe owning a gun is a civil right. I do not.

          Properly done, people taking such a test probably could not "fool" the test and evaluation results. I think that most psychopaths and sociopaths are not sufficiently self aware to "fool" exhaustive tests, but I could be wrong about that.

          You mention suicide. I believe that people with suicidal tendencies could cover that up quite easily. Some statistics (I'd really have to search for the source) say that strict gun control reduces the instances of gun suicide but does not reduce the overall instances of suicide. Obviously, there are many ways to commit suicide without using a gun if someone is determined to kill themselves.

          On the other hand -- I knew a thirty-something male who abused drugs and alcohol; during his last binge his roommates tried to prevent him from getting more alcohol, and one of them confronted him with, "Do you want to kill yourself?" He went into his room, locked the door, then shot himself in the head, dying instantly. That was preventable suicide; he should not have had access to guns.

          The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

          by SoCalSal on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 01:36:50 PM PST

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