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  •  Cue Gene Wilder: (12+ / 0-)

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    by Nulwee on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 10:02:58 AM PST

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    •  Umm, except Charlie ends up winning (1+ / 0-)
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      So, the GOP will return the Everlasting Gobstopper and Obama will just hand over the chocolate factory?  Because I believe that's still on the table.

      My name is Mitt RMoney and I'm here to sell America for scrap.

      by Man from Wasichustan on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 10:29:57 AM PST

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      •  Sour grapes much? (5+ / 0-)

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        by Nulwee on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 10:34:03 AM PST

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        •  I don't get your meaning (16+ / 0-)

          I have sour grapes because the Republicans are in so much disarray they can't negotiate so Obama and leading Dems are negotiating with themselves again?  Do you not understand the metaphor here?  

          I've heard the tough talk before (just like Willie Wonka here) and it ended with the Republicans walking off with the Chocolate factory.  Again.  Only they didn't even have to give back the Everlasting Gobstopper.  I don't believe a word of it until I see action.  I will dine on crow until my dieing day if it turns out otherwise, but I see another 98% capitulation in our near future.  

          Tell my 79-year-old mother who lives exclusively on her SS check and just had her food stamps cut by $30 that I have sour grapes and that she can survive ANOTHER cut.  And Chained CPI is a CUT and Obama, et al, are pushing this CUT to get some grand bargain that will put cat fud on our seniors' dinner tables in exchange for some extra coins in the pockets of the wealthiest.  And Obama can look like the guy who saved the budget.

          Do I have to tell you why even saying it was a bad idea in any context?  First and foremost, SS, Medicare, and Medicaid did not bust the budget.  The wealthy did that by turning our banks and markets into a huge casino.  Now they want to pay their gambling debts out of the change in my mother's couch (after they already looted the treasury).  They want to discredit SS because it's a huge pile of money and Wall St. wants it. Cut it enough, you make it irrelevant and easier to privatize.  All it takes is perception.

          And the stress of the uncertainty alone might be enough to send people like her into cardiac arrest.  This is real to some of us.

          My name is Mitt RMoney and I'm here to sell America for scrap.

          by Man from Wasichustan on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 11:27:01 AM PST

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          •  Obama may not have been pushing it (0+ / 0-)

            accordig to something someone posted above

            I'm in your mom 's shoes except disabled. It is a cut because even that twenty dollar or so cost of living increase matters at this low income level. It effects quality of life.

            I liked the article because, if true or partly true it shows that Obama was not so willing to sell us out. He put the SS cut foward for show after he knew Boiger couldn't broker that deal with his caucus.

            I don't like him doing that...scary for me. But if true it means  it is a bit less of a betrayal
            at least for me

            betrayal by the way everyone is a feeling and in my postion we are talkig about cuts to my own well being. (have had people mock me for use of betrayal...people likely not having thier wellbeing CUT into)

      •  but! (4+ / 0-)

        Charlie only won after he did the right thing.  The whole "You lose!  Good day sir!" bit was the final test.  Will the Republicans pass this test?  I think not.

        That scene has many parallels to today's Fiscal Curb situation, now that I think about it.

        Clearly, what has happened is that the use of the word Gestapo has clouded my message.
        - Maine Gov. Paul LePage

        by clinging to hope on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 11:18:19 AM PST

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