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  •  Civilian guns should meet the following criteria: (5+ / 0-)

    - Each round should take a certain amount of time to load into the chamber.

    - There should be a limit to how many rounds can be in a magazine.

    - Limit on how quickly a magazine can be reloaded.

    - Bullets must be designed to stop completely once they hit something so they don't go through a wall or a person and hit someone else.

    - One gun or else you're a "militia" and subject to military-style discipline and oversight.

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    by Troubadour on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 11:36:31 PM PST

    •  That's it! Muskets! (4+ / 0-)

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      by dov12348 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 02:00:51 AM PST

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    •  Not sure about a few of your points. (2+ / 0-)
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      Much of the reloading time just depends on the shooter. That's not something you can effectively regulate.

      As for bullet penetration, hollow-point ammunition does what you're looking for and it's widely available. Most police forces use hollow-points. But hollow-points aren't much use for hunting deer and larger game, or anything you intend to eat.

      The 'one gun or you're a militia' rule is a bit ridiculous on a few levels. I doubt it would pass any courts, it would require a massive bureaucracy to enforce, and there would be plenty of people who could just skirt the whole thing.

      If we ban the sale of high-capacity magazines and assault rifles that's perfectly fine with me. Not that I think it will make any real difference; there's a bunch of that stuff already out there. And as another excellent post on here a few days ago stated, most of these mass murders are done with semiauto pistols anyway. There's no talk of banning those.

      •  Hollowpoints also do a LOT of damage. (0+ / 0-)

        Which is why it took the cops most of the day to properly identify Nancy Lanza, as her face was literally blown to pieces.  We might also have seen some survivors at Sandy Hook had hollowpoints not been used.

        Shotguns would have had about the same effect, though, if what I understand about them is correct.

        But give me either of those over a gun that can't be loaded quickly if there's ever a time a gang of home invaders are coming through my front door in the middle of the night.

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

        by Neuroptimalian on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 12:48:13 PM PST

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        •  If I remember right (0+ / 0-)

          NATO forces don't use hollow-points because they were banned in one of the Hague Conventions a century ago. A bullet that fragments on impact was deemed too cruel even for the days of trench warfare. But they're the best round for limiting collateral damage which makes them ideal for police.

          Shotguns (like a 12 gauge with buckshot or a slug, not Dick Cheney's little quail gun) are extremely destructive at close range. Far more so than any hollow-point. I don't think most folks realize how much damage they can do. But that's part of the reason shotguns are ideal for home defense. And the main reason crooks are so scared of them.

    •  Bullets that stop quickly are more lethal. (3+ / 0-)

      This proposal is not reasonable: "Bullets must be designed to stop completely once they hit something so they don't go through a wall or a person and hit someone else."

      The bullets used in the school shooting were designed to stop when they hit.  Unfortunately, that causes much more damage to the body than a bullet that passes through the body.

      Some authorities consider the .223 hi-velocity round to be unlawful in the context of the Geneva Conventions on Warfare specifically because it is more likely to kill.  The conventions called for a jacketed bullet specifically to reduce the deadliness of military firearms.

      Hollow point rounds are similar and have no other purpose than to assure a one shot kill.  There is no reason for them to be manufactured.

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