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  •  Well, what Jesus says about hell is (13+ / 0-)

    extremely allegorical. Most main-stream Christians (including the Roman Church) understand "hell" as state of being permanently separated from God. It is really unclear if anyone is even in such a state.

    As for other things, Jesus spoke in heavy allegory, which is why anyone is having this discussion to begin with: no one can seem to agree on what it means or does not mean.

    That being said, there are plenty of progressive Christians--myself included--who are on your side, no matter what you think of Jesus or for that matter, no matter what Rick Warren thinks of Jesus.

    Get your goddamned guns out of my church. This means you.

    by commonmass on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 12:54:47 PM PST

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    •  So some things "Jesus said" are (2+ / 0-)
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      allegorical and other quotes not?  He did not refer to hell as a state of separation from God. At one point he talked about angels gathering up all offenders and casting them into a furnace of fire where there would be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

      So a state of separation may be what the official interpretation of some groups, but it's not what he was quoted as saying.  And again I say "quoted as saying" because there was no such man and the gospel writers were free to put any words they wanted in this character's mouth.

      •  Clearly, we're going to disagree on finer points (8+ / 0-)

        of theology. I would point out to you, though, that people who make the these kinds of arguments are--I would assume accidentally--embracing the same sort of literalist reading of the Bible in their criticism of it as Rick Warren is doing in his promulgation of it.

        There are centuries of thought surrounding what the Bible says, and the best of it is not literalist.

        Get your goddamned guns out of my church. This means you.

        by commonmass on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 01:23:14 PM PST

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        •  "embracing" and "believing in" (0+ / 0-)

          are not the same. Millions of christians in this country embrace a literal reading of the bible.
          It's quite obvious Fishtroller doesn't believe any of it is true.
          This is a problem I have with religionists- each embraces their own set of thoughts, and thinks that the others are less legitimate, simply because they don't come to the same conclusion after reading one or several passages in this book.
          The fact it, it's been rewritten, retranslated, parts added, parts removed, according to the dominant religion at the time, that's there is no telling what the original writings said.
          If you don't like what it says, say it's allegorical. If you do, say it's literal.

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 04:23:14 AM PST

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