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  •  12: FBI Harrasment of people who are willing (0+ / 0-)

    to actually put their asses on the line to bring about change.

    At a certain point, pretending that the abuse your parents dealt to you somehow gives more merit to your arguments in favor of torching the 4th Amendment just gets old.

    You're getting cut a lot of slack already because of that history.  You're treated with kid gloves - by several dozen people that I alone am aware of.

    It's just not a substitute for argument.

    "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

    by JesseCW on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 01:01:03 AM PST

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    •  see, that is completely basless (0+ / 0-)

      i have never advocated for FBI harassment of anyone ever.  please, show me in my diaries and comments, your ONLY source of information about what i think, in which i have advocated for FBI harassment.  you can't, because it's not there.

      for the moment, i am going to set aside your personal comments about me and focus on something productive.

      i think i know what your problem with me actually is.  this is assuming all good things about you.  and it's very precise, so, you can't just get a sense of this and react or you'll probably misunderstand.

      i think you talk about issues to advocate your well thought out positions on them.  you come to daily kos to join with or rally others to advocate with you.  i would say that the majority of well known people on daily kos are exactly the same as you.  i would also say that the majority of people in this community are exactly the same as you.

      i don't do that.  i approach daily kos as a community to have discussions about issues.  i listen more than i talk.  i absorb.  i learn.  i am very open minded and i expect to change my mind.  i put out thoughts to question and to challenge what others are saying.  even the things i feel passionate about and do advocate for in life i come here with an open mind about.  

      so, for instance, when i write a comment that i can see a good reason for checking out occupy wallstreet, it's just like my having said it in a conversation with my friends.  i am not advocating for shit.  i'm just saying something i am thinking.  nothing more and nothing less.  i write what i am thinking and feeling in the moment when i write on daily kos.  that's probably why i have no following here but still get diaries on the rec list about a dozen times a year.  there are other people who are thinking and feeling the same thing and i happened to express it for them.

      look, i was raised in church.  listening to sermons 3 times a week.  i get the value of preaching.  i respect it.  it's just that it's not really me.  i was going to be a preacher, finish school, interned.  but i was always more interested in exploring things than in pushing for things.  don't get me wrong, i would jump to do things to help people.  which is why i talk about politics here instead of other places, because here i also get opportunities to do something to help.  like donate money or make calls or send emails.  i like discussions and actions.  

      you know, i make video games.  it's a combination of art and science.  my job is to invent things.  so, for me, that means taking a look at things with an open mind but also aimed to solutions.  that's how i am here too.  

      one more thing.  this is a difference i have with my wife.  i  imagine i have it with you too.  i think out loud.  i figure things out by talking about them.  it's a personality thing.  my wife thinks things through and then says what she's concluded.  sometimes we cross wires because we forget this difference in each other.  she thinks my statements are conclusions.  i think her conclusions are just thoughts.  but we figure it out.  

      i'm hoping that you and i can figure this out too.

      as for my past.  i don't use my past to win arguments.  i offer my past to discussions because it's a part of why i think and feel what i do.  it's intimate and it takes a lot of courage for me to share, but i have opened myself up to this community.  i trust this community.  if you know people who have my life experience you might know what it means for them to trust people.  but i offer up my past either when i think it is useful for illuminating something we are having a discussion about, in the few instances where i was sharing my heart with this community, and in a few instances where someone has accused me of being something that really wounds me personally because it's accusing me of being like the people who hurt me and i get personally defensive.  i don't offer it up as some attempt to win an argument.  frankly, i rarely care if i win arguments unless they get personal and it's about whether i am a good person or not.

      anyway.  i gotta go and get christmas food for tomorrow.  i hope this does something to solve the years long conflict between us.  i am really tired of it.

      so long and thanks for all the fish

      by Anton Bursch on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 02:21:40 PM PST

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