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  •  I look into the hopeful eyes of my grandkids (7+ / 0-)

    They have it all, really.  Smart, atheletic, kind, and good grades.  Their parents live pay check to pay check because of the high cost of housing, utilities, etc.

    I doubt they will qualify for financial aid, even though their parents haven't been able to save for their college.  The local school system charges lots of money for their extra-curricular activities, school fees, etc.  It seems they are out knocking on doors often to beg money from local households.  I know I contribute something on a monthly basis.  I wonder who audits the funds for Drill Team, Football, etc.

    To the point:  I know college is critical for employment; however, I have a hard time prodding them to become the next generation of STUDENT DEBT SLAVES.

    Ours is the worst country in th western world for setting up roadblocks for higher ed.  Scandanavian provide higher ed for nearly free.  Canada charges affordable rates.

    AMERICA HAS BECOME THE LAND OF PROFITS and the heck with the burden it puts on families and kids.  The faux private colleges like U of Phoenix are a complete joke.  They exist to help banks create more debt slaves.


    It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

    by War on Error on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 08:18:11 AM PST

    •  We need to do a real comparison (1+ / 0-)
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      because our supposition about other countries is not correct.

      Canada for instance has very high tuition for public education as well. U Toronto is in the 5 figure range for tuition alone.

      If you compare us to Sweden, you'll notice that most Swedish students go local with education, and yes then tuition is cheap for them. However, many of them take out $10k in loans for living expenses (in a system very similar to the USAs) and end up owing $50k when they graduate. This is common.

      The answers are twofold. Live with parents and attend college locally. Or, put pressure on gov't to better fund education because ed is one of the first places to get cut. In NY state last year, politicians thought nothing of saddling undergrads with a $700 surcharge that didn't go toward funding ed., but toward filling a budget gap. Political cowardice, perpetrated by Democrats.

      There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

      by upstate NY on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 12:28:56 PM PST

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    •  education needs to be funded (0+ / 0-)

      But we also need to make sure we spend the money wisely.  For instance, I see football players going to games not on school buses, but on private contract buses.  What sense does that make?  I see people going to expensive colleges because they are told they should.  If those students can get into those colleges on scholarships that is fine.  But many want to get in on grants and loans.

      The problem is we now have a system where the loans are risk free but high interest and fees.  They are risk free because the government is going to pay for it, and give the lenders a processing fee.  The students will then be hounded for money the taxpayers have already paid, but they could not pay because of high fees and unreasonable college tuition that is made high because of availability of loans.  The vicious circle.

      I am not sure what has happened in the past twenty years.  I see kids of limited means going and succeeding in college.  Part of that is going to the right school, not the marque school.  I went to a school where right no one can get a degree for less than 50K, living on campus.  It seems to me this is still a good value.  

      One problem I see is that kids want to given everything in high school, walk out of high school and be given a college education, then walk out of college and be given a high paying job.  When something is valuable it is worth paying a high price.  Being willing to pay for education is important.  Every penny we had went into equipment I needed for high school.  Today ask a kid for $50 equipment fee and there will be a rebellion.

      •  You don't have any clue what you're talking about. (7+ / 0-)

        High schoolers these days are hit with a wide variety of equipment and materials fees. It is the norm.

        And what "kids" want is for a college education not to be a gamble. If society expects you to front the $80K to $120K or so for a typical degree (and I don't know what school you know of where someone can get a degree for 50K, but it sure isn't any one of the member campuses of my state's public university system), and you do the work, then society damned well ought to structure things so that you can get a job that will justify that investment. Instead, what we have is the sick and demented every-man-for-himself system in which buying a college degree is treated like any other risk-inherent capitalist investment, and hey, if at the end of it there are no jobs, TFB for you, guess you should have "invested" in a different degree, or a different commodity altogether.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:08:11 PM PST

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      •  $1000+ a year for HS Football (5+ / 0-)

        My son plays HS football and he is required to sell $350 worth of ads, is required to pay a $200 player fee, is required to pay $100 for his cleats, $100 for his spirit pack (sweats, tee shirt), and as an offensive lineman was strongly encouraged to buy custom knee braces $300.

        My other son does track and had we had to pay $75 for a tank top and shorts and we declined paying another $125 for a sweat shirt and pants.  His spikes will be over $100.

        I'm not sure where you live but here in Alabama, they don't give the kids much and our HS is relatively well off compared to most of the others.

        Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants to king. And the king ain't satisifed until he rules everything. B.Springsteen

        by howd on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:43:35 PM PST

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      •  Yes, that is why I joined the military, because (2+ / 0-)

        I wanted every thing handed to me on a silver platter.


      •  Hey -- sorry about the first sentence in my (1+ / 0-)
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        earlier comment. I think I was just tired, grouchy and impatient, but there was no reason for me to talk to you like that.

        I do, however, think you are buying into a "kids these days" meme that doesn't really address the problem and shifts responsibility for our collapsing educational systems onto the victims of the collapse, rather than the architects.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Sat Dec 29, 2012 at 07:29:44 AM PST

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