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  •  The scariest phrase in the whole passage... (4.00)
    to me is:  If this detainee is ever released...

    !!

    Life is like this analogy...

    by shock on Fri May 27, 2005 at 12:26:18 AM PDT

    •  Especially when combined with (4.00)
      the statement immediately before:
      "These tactics have produced no intelligence of a threat neutralization nature to date and CITF believes that techniques have destroyed any chance of prosecuting this detainee."
      So they are saying that the interrogation had no value, and that the detainee cannot be prosecuted, but leave open the possibility that he may never be released.

      . . . solutions emerge from [our] judicious study of discernible reality.

      by realitybased on Fri May 27, 2005 at 12:35:08 AM PDT

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    •  The DoD is in even more (4.00)
      of a bind, because the jurisdiction of US courts over Gitmo has been established, limiting the "rendition" escape route.  I diaried on this a while back:

      When the Supreme Court asserted jurisdiction over Gitmo, thereby granting its detainees some semblance of legal status (most notably the right of habeus corpus), the Pentagon has been scrambling for a means of quietly clearing out the prison.  

      One such avenue the Pentagon has pursued is the extradition of Gitmo prisoners to their countries of origin, including Saudi Arabia and Yemen, where the possibility that the prisoners will be tortured is significant.  

      A US Federal judge has granted injunctive relief to 13 Gitmo prisoners who the Pentagon wants to ship back to their home country of Yemen.

      Highlights from the cited article:
      The Pentagon wants to transfer hundreds of prisoners to their home countries, for release or continued detention...

      Most prisoners at Guantanamo, many of whom are held without charge, are no longer considered to be of any intelligence value.

      The noose is tightening: some elements of the media and progressives willing to lap up and amplify any and all accounts of torture at Gitmo; revelation that the majority of Gitmo prisoners are innocent of any crime; rendition avenue shut down...how to "dispose" of these prisoners?  Didn't we just hear about plans for Gitmo death chambers...

      You ain't gotta be a scholar to know the next four years are gonna be ill. -KRS One, December, 2000

      by GN1927 on Fri May 27, 2005 at 07:03:17 AM PDT

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      •  Good news and bad news (4.00)
        First the good news about the memo: at least at some level, someone knew this was wrong. Even in Rummy's DoD, someone remembered that it was wrong (or at least illegal and ineffective) to torture prisoners.

        That's a good first step.

        The bad news: They went through with it anyway, taking the role of monster, even if reluctantly at first. Once in, though, the real monsters could use threats of exposure to push the good kids further into crime.

        Some boys in the two to the fighting eighth:

        'I have a better idea,' boasted Aarfy. 'Why don't we keep the three of them here until after the curfew and then threaten to push them out into the street to be arrested unless they give us all their money? We can even threaten to push them out the window.'

        'Aarfy!' Nately was aghast.

        'I was only trying to help,' said Aarfy sheepishly. Aarfy was always trying to help Nately because Nately's father was rich and prominent and in an excellent position to help Aarfy after the war. 'Gee whiz,' he defended himself querulously.

        'Back in school we were always doing things like that. I remember one day we tricked these two dumb high-school girls from town into the fraternity house and made them put out for all the fellows there who wanted them by threatening to call up their parents and say they were putting out for us. We kept them trapped in bed there for more than ten hours. We even smacked their faces a little when they started to complain. Then we took away their nickels and dimes and chewing gum and threw them out. Boy, we used to have fun in that fraternity house,' he recalled peacefully, his corpulent cheeks aglow with the jovial, rubicund warmth of nostalgic recollection. 'We used to ostracize everyone, even each other.'

        Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

        by chimpy on Fri May 27, 2005 at 09:16:08 AM PDT

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      •  I also recommend this on EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION: (none)
        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/23/1577/49097

        This is on the investigative reporting of Stephen Grey, a respected British journalist along the lines of Seymour Hersh.  His work on this was the subject of a BBC broadcast and a number of widely seen articles in places like the Sunday Times.  Widely seen - but not, of course, in this suppressed country with its Poodle Press.

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