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  •  It's a semi-automatic world. (1+ / 0-)
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    I don't think we'll likely ever go back to revolvers.  Semi-auto pistols have been around for 100 years.

    When I was in the military, we only had 20 round magazines.  30 round mags came later and had problems prior to re-engineering the followers.  Frankly, 20 round mags are sufficient for almost any legitimate purpose.  I know people would like to see smaller mags, and maybe that will happen, maybe not.

    Lanza is hindsight now.  In the future, safes prevent a lot of accidents, theft and bravado.  'Authorized user' could be someone you trust in your household.  Your spouse.  Perhaps a young adult who has been trained.  If a home invasion is in process, anyone with training should be legally allowed to respond.  The idea here is that you don't leave a gun laying around.  It has to be within reach and in your control. If not, put it in the safe.

    If Biden stops here, he has a chance of proposing legislation that may pass.  Much farther and there will be too big of a backlash to get anything done.

    •  Thanks for the conversation: insightful! (2+ / 0-)
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      Boris49, annieli

      Some questions ...

      Is there anything between between revolvers and semi-automatic handguns?

      (Oh, the nostalgia! Only in the 1980's and later in many areas, did police departments switch away from revolvers. I recall the debate in Chicago, which focused on the arguments that beat officers were outclassed by gang members who had semi-automatic weapons but that much of the action was going to be in situations where there bystanders at risk no matter who was firing.)

      And an observation: this will be a hackuvan area for adroit strategy. As you say, seek legislation that's too sweeping and it could be toast from the get go. On the other hand, however moderate the "ask" may seem to gun control advocates, the NRA is highly likely to go, well, ballistic.

      And, given the variety of interests at stake - manufacturers, the NRA, gun users of various kinds, police, sheriffs and big city mayors, etc. - who can sit at the table and make a deal that will stick? Until the real parties in interest are (1) at the table and (2) willing to negotiate, the chances for a good constructive compromise are zilch and the incentive is high to bluster and reach for extreme, seemingly more defensible positions.

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 12:27:49 PM PST

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      •  Many gunowners have been very unhappy with the (2+ / 0-)
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        NRA for a long time.  It's really a diary in and of itself, but let me just say that of the 4 million NRA members, many would go along with much of what I proposed above.  In addition, there are probably 80+ million other gun owners who might side with the NRA and be "hard core"...but I reckon not.  I think the majority would go along if they considered the proposals "sensible".

        I don't have a good understanding of why police departments switched other than the 38 special is a weak load and the .357 magnum is intimidating to many.  A lot of the changeover transitioned during the years associated with the increase in drug crime.  At the same time, Glocks came into the market and they really are accurate, don't need a lot of maintenance and hold much more ammo.  Rate of fire in engagements became a plus for law enforcement, so it was inevitable.

        There is no intermediate step between a revolver and a semi-automatic.  

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